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 Post subject: Re: Stewartstown Railroad In Jeopardy From Historical Society?
PostPosted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 4:57 pm 

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The New Freedom - York rail is owned by York County. The trail is just fine as this was a PRR double-track main line and there is plenty of space for both.

York County is under no particular pressure to have to remove rail. The "Liberty Limited" dinner train really only was stopped because of the track (tie) condition - ridership was fairly good.

I have nothing against Stewartstown, but the Steam Into History guys may be on to something for the Northern Central idea.

There's an amazing story I discovered about a confederate cavalry raid at Hanover Jct. a few days before Gettysburg when the intent was to invade Harrisburg. The Confederates routed the local Union militia guarding the junction, tore up the depot (still standing today and now restored), and while they were busily sacking the place, the telegrapher and a handful of others snuck onto a waiting train and escaped south, with the cavalry in hot pursuit. The only thing that stopped them was a short bridge.

The story is detailed in "Flames Beyond Gettysburg", a relatively new book, and now has its own web page:
http://www.yorkblog.com/cannonball/2009 ... .html#more

I've seen a lot of hokey 'train robberies' and Civil War events powered by diesels, but an actual restored location where an actual cavalry pursuit of a moving train under gunfire is historically accurate? Wow, everybody ought to have one of those on their line! The "Lincoln at Hanover Jct." Matthew Brady photo is well known, but this other story seems to have been lost along the way and is "almost" as good as the Great Locomotive Chase, or Stonewall Jackson stealing the railroad from Strasburg, VA. I think the only reason it got lost is because of the relatively embarassing story of the Union Militias the weeks before Gettysburg. But if you're looking for the Civil War enthusiast tie-in that nobody's ever been able to pull off with a train, that very may be it.


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 Post subject: Re: Stewartstown Railroad In Jeopardy From Historical Society?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 9:34 am 

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This article hit the local York newspaper yesterday:

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What's the next step for the Stewartstown Railroad?
Two groups are interested in buying the debt the railroad owes an estate.
By JEFF FRANTZ
Daily Record/Sunday News
Posted: 04/24/2010 08:05:11 PM EDT

New players have entered the discussion for the future of the Stewartstown Railroad Company.

For more than two years, the estate of George M. Hart has been trying to collect a debt of more than $350,000 from the 125-year-old company. Deadlines have passed, and been extended, and the estate is now listening to offers from groups looking to buy that debt, a lien on the railroad's station and engine houses.

At the same time, a nonprofit is trying to raise money to preserve the 7.4-mile railroad and help company shareholders resume running tourist trains on the line that has not operated since 2004.

Hart, a former president of the railroad, paid the company's bills with his own money for more than 20 years. In 2006, he asked the railroad to sign a lien, requiring repayment of that money. After his death in 2008, the company learned that in his will, Hart specifically reminded his executors to collect the sum, $352,415. That money and other parts of the estate will eventually go to the Bucks County Historical Society.

Company board members have presented a plan to repay the debt over time, but so far neither the estate nor the historical society have favored those ideas.

"Two different parties have expressed interest in the possibility of buying the mortgage lien from the estate," said Jim Gillotti, the estate's attorney. He would not name either party, but said both are from York County.

"Nothing has been finished yet," Gillotti said. "We're hopeful that we can work out a deal with one of them because the proposal that was made by Stewartstown to pay off the debt over five years -- the terms were disappointing for the estate."

Dave Williamson, president of the Stewartstown Railroad Company, said he knows of two potential buyers for the lien -- the Codorus Creek Railway and a real estate developer.

The Codorus Creek Railway would like to rebuild the Stewartstown Railroad from the rails up to run freight cars, said company president Don Kress, who confirmed they have had talks with the estate.

The Codorus Creek Railway has previously asked the county to lease the Northern Central line, which runs next to the Heritage Rail Trail, for a freight operation. The county has denied them, but Kress said they are continuing with the effort. Having a connection for Stewartstown to New Freedom makes sense, he said.

"We've got hundreds of acres of industrial zoned land in southern York County," said Kress, who added that further development will require shipping ability.

Williamson described the other potential buyer, the real estate developer, as a "white knight figure" who he feels would work with the Stewartstown Railroad to preserve the railroad, resume operations and repay the debt on a more favorable timeframe.

Buying the lien would not give someone control of the company, Williamson said. But a lienholder would have the ability to foreclose on the debt, which might bankrupt the company.

As this plays out, the Friends of the Stewartstown Railroad had begun accepting donations on its website for the preservation of the railroad. The Friends are a nonprofit closely aligned with the company; some people sit on the boards of both groups.

The friends hope to soon start a full capital campaign, Williamson said.


It certainly sounds like Mr. Williamson is not looking forward to what would happen if the Codorus Creek Railway obtained ownership of the lien.

Oh well, the saga continues for now.

Regards,
John F.


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 Post subject: Re: Stewartstown Railroad In Jeopardy From Historical Society?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 11:58 am 

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PrrOpCrew (John F.): I noticed you are a new member of the RYPN bulletin board. Are you the same person who is Vice President of Codorus Creek Railway?


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 Post subject: Re: Stewartstown Railroad In Jeopardy From Historical Society?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 1:50 pm 

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Ray Reter wrote:
PrrOpCrew (John F.): I noticed you are a new member of the RYPN bulletin board. Are you the same person who is Vice President of Codorus Creek Railway?


Ray,

I am as much the Vice President of the Codorus Creek Railway Company as you are Vice President/Secretary of the Friends of the Stewartstown Railroad and a stockholder of the Stewartstown Railroad.

Regards,
John

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 Post subject: Re: Stewartstown Railroad In Jeopardy From Historical Society?
PostPosted: Sat May 29, 2010 9:16 pm 

http://www.yorkdispatch.com/local/ci_15181989


  
 
 Post subject: Re: Stewartstown Railroad In Jeopardy From Historical Society?
PostPosted: Sat May 29, 2010 11:26 pm 

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One point in the above York Dispatch article needs to be clarified: The Friends of the Stewartstown Railroad, Inc., is an independent membership-based, not-for-profit corporation tax-exempt under IRS section 501(c)(3). It is not "an arm" of the Stewartstown Railroad Company.


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 Post subject: Re: Stewartstown Railroad In Jeopardy From Historical Society?
PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2010 1:09 pm 

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I wonder if operations can continue with the Friends group. That might help stall any foreclosure process, because the railroad is not abandoned.


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