Seems to be another foamer making noise. But who knows? Anything can happen.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1550665628564936/

I believe it is being "launched" be a fairly young guy. Don't know him but I did see it on Facebook. I doubt he has even approached the museum. And a buddy of his has also "launched" a similar effort to "save" and "restore" C&O K-4 2700 in Dennison. When I asked him if he had contacted the folks in Dennison to discuss his plans he said he was going to do that after he graduated (assuming high school) next year. When I suggested that he should not get the proverbial cart before the horse (don't raise too much support and interest before you even talk to the owner/caretaker of the locomotive), his response was "don't worry, I've got it all under control", lol. At that point I stopped trying to get through....no signal, no reception....

Rob

Last I had heard there has been a bit more than the usual "foamer" talk, but nothing concrete. I've been highly interested in getting her back under steam (my grandfather was a Central man). Also, RDG 2100 and 2102 have shown us, these old girls are ready for a rebirth. Not to mention, when I did the only night photo shoot of her in 2010, the MILW 261 group had looked at 3001 as a replacement (while 261 was in limbo), although I do not believe a boiler inspection had been done at that point in time.

She is endangered where she sits. A lot of that collection that Mr. Frazier and others put together had been a point the former mayor loved to taunt the public and railroad preservation community, as well as the NYC Historical Society, to close/sell off. NNYCM nor the city own her.

She's missing a lot of parts. But, I have faith 3001 will steam again. If people can scratch build a PRR T1, 3001 can make a comeback.

How about just raising some money for a simple shelter for the locomotive?

I don't see any problems anybody trying to raise funds for the engine, but you need the official folks involved who want to restore the engine to go gung ho and do it.
The 765 guys were just that and kept at it. Every weekend after the move the group was there banging on 765.

I find it odd how few photos exist today of this locomotive portraying a T&P one...
Saw 3001 very briefly from the window of the lounge on the Capitol Limited on our cross-country trek last September. So wish I could hopped off to get some photos...

I've looked at their posts in their group, actually looks pretty serious in there. They have people who were actually going to talk to the Mayor, and hiring a guy to look at the engine, with the museum owner's approval. Something could actually get done.

I also looked at their posts and I see writings typical of the quality coming out of our failing public schools. Run on sentences, poor grammar and punctuation does not instill much confidence in this arms length observer.

When any effort is in its early stages and the only physical manifestation of it exists in the written word, poor English and grammar skills are certain to send a message contrary to that intended by the writer.

Unless I see photos of them actually doing something to the engine (ex opening the smokebox, or taking off parts), I won't take their posts seriously. Thankfully, it's a public group that all of us can look at without joining.

I can't remember where I saw it, but sadly, I saw the same thing in someone's comments or messages on Facebook. If I was the head of a museum or on their board - no matter how serious the group may be, if I saw the grammar exhibited there, that would put serious doubts in my head to start. Not a good impression, in my opinion.

The UP business car was the UP/LA&SL #124. The following info comes from Don Strack's Utah Rails website:

It was built in 1926 by Pullman (Lot and Plan unknown) as LA&SL barber shop-2 8 seat smoking rooms-2 seat writing room-14 seat lounge observation #4404, 1 of 5 such cars (#4403-#4407) built in that Lot. All 5 were reconfigured in 1941-1942 to café observations #1563-#1564 (the #4404 to #1564 in October 1942), and were rebuilt in 1943-1945 to LA&SL business cars #120-#124 (the #1564 to #124 in April 1945). It was renumbered in June 1952 to UP/LA&SL #104 (2nd), renumbered again in April 1957 to UP/LA&SL #105, and renumbered a third time in September 1965 back to UP/LA&SL #124. It was retired in June 1970 and sold in 1971; there might have been another party who owned the car between UP and Bob Spaugh. Bob named it Michael L. Spaugh, and sold it in 1980 to an unknown party, who renamed it Leigha Marie, but apparently without #124 on the car. It was resold in 1986 to another unknown party, who reapplied #124 and kept the name Leigha Marie, and at an unknown date it had #800186 assigned and/or applied.

Besides the #4404, the dispositions for the other 4 cars are as follows:

LA&SL #4403 to #1563 in October 1942, to #123 in March 1945, to UP/LA&SL #102 (2nd) in July 1952, to UP/LA&SL #104 (3rd) in April 1957, streamlined in 1968, to UP #104 in 1988, stored in 1990, to UPP #104 and named North Platte (3rd) in 1995. Does this car have an #800xxx-series number assigned/applied?

LA&SL #4405 to #1565 in January 1941, to #121 in March 1944, to UP/LA&SL #110 in July 1952, briefly named City of Salt Lake in 1985, sold in 1987 to Mexico. Strack lists that it became SCD (or was it actually NdeM?) #3592 Monte Alban, to TFM #400 in 1997, to KCSdeM in 2005, rebuilt/refurbished in 2010 as #1810 Ciudad de Mexico. In my notes, I have that the #4405 did indeed become TFM #400 and is now KCSdeM #1810, but that it was named Agualeguas by TFM, and that the #4407 became #3592 Monte Alban. Instead, Strack lists that the #4407 was named Agualeguas.

LA&SL #4406 to #1566 in January 1941, to #122 in February 1944, to UP/LA&SL #112 in January 1952, streamlined in 1968, retired in November 1986 and sold in 1987 to Mexico. Strack doesn't list any info on this car's history in Mexico, and I don't have any info in my notes.

LA&SL #4407 to #1567 in October 1942, to #120 (1st) in September 1943, to UP/LA&SL #111 in January 1952, streamlined in 1968, retired in November 1986 and sold in 1987 to Mexico. Strack lists that it became SCD (or was it actually NdeM?) #3593 Agualeguas, and that it was listed for sale as of May 1999.

Sources:

1. Don Strack's UP passenger car roster pages:

___1a. Main index page: http://utahrails.net/pass/pass-index.php

___1b. Heritage and business cars index: http://utahrails.net/pass/heritage-fleet-index.php

___1c. Cars numbered between #4140 and #5556: http://utahrails.net/pass/pass-numbered-6.php

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Happy Easter Monday!

Rick, I couldn't agree with you more. I don't even bother to point it out. By that age, people have made a conscious decision that good grammar and the ability to spell words properly are not important to them. It kind of ties into my whole point earlier of trying to point out to Joshua that he had the cart before the horse. He really didn't want to hear what I had to say. We have an entire generation that thinks throwing a bunch of pictures of FB and saying "we want to DO this" constitutes a sound plan with a good foundation for success. I don't like being viewed as a nay-sayer or dream-stealer. I was just offering what I felt was sound advice and warning someone that there is a better way to go about things. But I've been wrong before.

Sincerely,

Rob Gardner

Spelling and grammar are important. Slightly off topic, but still a good story: I'm a former Army Reserve bandsman. After basic training, in 1973, I spent eight weeks with the Ft. Dix band for additional training. One of our main jobs was playing at the Basic Training orientations. Before the General's 'Welcome to Fort Dix' speech (which we all had memorized) one of our guys would ask if anyone wanted to audition for an Army band position, and would pass around a clipboard.

You would be amazed at how many people played 'brotone horn', 'coronet', 'clarionett', 'bongas', 'congos', etc., any mis-spelling of any instrument name you could think of. Rule of thumb was that if the person couldn't spell the name of the instrument they played, they most likely couldn't play it well enough to pass an audition, and simply weren't scheduled for one. We may have turned away some real musical talent, but I doubt it.

And that is precisely the point that the last few people have been making. If the presentation is poor, people who don't already know about all the time, effort, blood, sweat, toil and tears ... aren't going to care. All they know is what they see, and if that sucks, they're just going to draw a logical conclusion that the rest of the effort is of similar quality and move on.

That isn't fair, but my long experience says it's the way most things in the real world work -- especially those that involve getting people to give you their money. There's a reason for the adage "Presentation is so important", and it's not so grammarians can complain 'Cliche alert!'

Standard written English, and to an extent proper persuasive rhetoric, are not rocket science. And if you don't have people who can spell or write well, there are plenty of people with the 'right stuff' [please note I avoided the obvious pun] who will look over the 'collateral' and emend it for you ... probably no few people right here on RyPN, myself included, who would do it free. We're all in preservation together.

Honestly, if you're writing an important letter to a museum or railroad and you have big dreams - what's the harm in asking a colleague to proofread it? Same with a social media post. Have someone else look it over before it's posted to make sure that things are spelled right, and that the grammar is good. It does make a world of difference to the right people.