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 Post subject: Re: 611 to be Retired?
PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2024 9:13 am 

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I was interested by the news comment "...the list of grievances is long" and "...concerns [had been] growing for months". Hinted at was that one of the concerns was how the museum was allocating and spending Virginia State funds -- perhaps this will be part of the detail in the records the media will be poring through.

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 Post subject: Re: 611 to be Retired?
PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2024 10:11 am 

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This is no longer about 611.

Besides Will Harris, were there any other Officers of the six that resigned? To divulge Executive Committee/Session notes can only come from an Officer and there could be some form of impropriety in those notes and for them to be made public by any not for profit is extremely uncommon. Unethical is one issue, illegal is another.

State grants can only be used for specific purposes which VMT had to have outlined, with a paper trail documenting every step of the process.

No business plan?


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 Post subject: Re: 611 to be Retired?
PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2024 10:56 am 

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Executive Committee/Session notes can only come from an Officer

Maybe. It depends on what the bylaws of the organization and possibly the laws of the state say. A basic premise of a non profit is that it is formed for the good of the public. That requires that they are more transparent than for a for profit. For example, tax returns are a public document.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2024 12:13 pm 

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East of Eden wrote:
Besides Will Harris, were there any other Officers of the six that resigned?


By utilizing the Internet Archive/Wayback Machine, you can find a listing of VMT Board members prior to this shakeup. With that in mind the following people are no longer on the VMT Board:
William L. Harris, III - President
Brian P. Barton - Member At-Large
Will Ardis
Stephen D. Beck
Todd Marcum
Gavin Miller John Nutter
Chuck Wehrmeister

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 Post subject: Re: 611 to be Retired?
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Executive Committee/Session notes can only come from an Officer.


Meetings of the Executive Committee, usually the officers and sometimes one or two at-large members are public.

An Executive Session is a closed meeting. Minutes are limited to “the board met in executive session to discuss a (fill in blank: personnel, admin, legal etc) matter.” This is followed by one of two statements:
-No action was taken.
- The board makes the following motion…”. The motion is made in public session following the closed session.

No one should disclose the confidential discussions of a closed sessions.


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 Post subject: Re: 611 to be Retired?
PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2024 3:11 pm 

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We've all learned that eventually the truth comes out no matter how hard some may try to prevent that.

Even Presidents of the USA couldn't stop it as evidenced by the failed efforts of Richard Nixon, Bill Clinton and Donald Trump to do so.

I'm sure the investigative reporter from the TV station will do a thorough job. It will interesting to see what he discovers.

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 Post subject: Re: 611 to be Retired?
PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2024 3:14 pm 

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Please join us in welcoming Ted Krumreich to the VMT Board of Directors.
Ted is a good and honorable man. VMT is fortunate to have him.


Are you suggesting that William L. Harris, III, Brian P. Barton, Will Ardis, Stephen D. Beck
Todd Marcum, Gavin Miller, John Nutter and Chuck Wehrmeister weren’t good and honorable men?

Accepting a position after 6 resignations is taking a side.


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Crescent-Zephyr wrote:
Kelly Anderson wrote:
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Please join us in welcoming Ted Krumreich to the VMT Board of Directors.
Ted is a good and honorable man. VMT is fortunate to have him.


Are you suggesting that William L. Harris, III, Brian P. Barton, Will Ardis, Stephen D. Beck
Todd Marcum, Gavin Miller, John Nutter and Chuck Wehrmeister weren’t good and honorable men?

Accepting a position after 6 resignations is taking a side.



You've made pot stirring posts before, Charlie Brown, but this time you really did it.

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 Post subject: Re: 611 to be Retired?
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Does that make you Lucy with the football? Haha.

This pot doesn’t need any stirring - it’s already bubbling over.

Also, I’m pretty sure board meetings for non profits have to be open to all members correct?


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Crescent-Zephyr wrote:
... I have no clue what is going on but it’s much bigger than that, ...

No truer words were ever spoken..............mld


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 Post subject: Re: 611 to be Retired?
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 Post subject: Re: 611 to be Retired?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2024 1:59 pm 

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choodude wrote:
Crescent-Zephyr wrote:
Accepting a position after 6 resignations is taking a side.


You've made pot stirring posts before, Charlie Brown, but this time you really did it.

Brian Helfrich


I'll preface this by saying I know nothing of the situation at VMT. I'm not taking sides or pointing fingers at anyone.

That said, I have to agree with CZ that, in general, somebody who takes a position that was recently vacated along with the knowledge that 5 other people are leaving, is taking sides. There is clearly a division among the board.

Presumably that person would be aware of the events and the resignations. The information is public, they were no doubt aware of it. Whether they know all of the reasons behind it at this point is a different matter.

However, they have clearly chosen to side with the museum and attempt to move forward. That's a noble gesture, and they've accepted a big challenge. That takes bravery and I hope things work out well.

I don't see stating that fact, in and of itself, to amount to "pot stirring".


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 Post subject: Re: 611 to be Retired?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2024 6:21 pm 

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There's two completely opposite takes that one can reasonably understand from this situation.

AAAA. Someone hoping to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. This person hopes to be able to succeed where others have failed in keeping a certain locomotive - property maintained - and out in the real world - that does not limit the locomotive to the museum grounds alone.


ZZZZ, Someone who thinks the a certain locomotive should only be limited to the small radius around a certain "Museum"

Now granted the discussion between running a locomotive vs. plinthing a sacred object could power all creation forever:

https://youtu.be/Z8yW5cyXXRc?si=39Pl_RutFE1xRQcX

I am on the side that hopes an excursion locomotive can be allowed to roam the Earth.

Brian Helfrich



Edit of course perhaps MMMM

Where a certain individual wants to keep a locomotive properly maintained and keeps their head down as the artillery shells fire over their heads as to where will it run?

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I don’t think this about the locomotive or where it will run. I think it’s about funding and where money is being used. Do you have inside knowledge about what this is related to?


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 8:20 pm 

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Crescent-Zephyr wrote:
I don’t think this about the locomotive or where it will run. I think it’s about funding and where money is being used. Do you have inside knowledge about what this is related to?



Are you going to pay the legal fees for folks who could be sued - rightly or wrongly - for publicizing "Insider Knowledge?"

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