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 Post subject: Re: Reading 2124 Restoration
PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:04 pm 

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When the locomotive was at St. Thomas shops several years back, much of the stoker equipment laid in the pit underneath her. Maybe it is still there?


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 Post subject: Re: Reading 2124 Restoration
PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:21 pm 

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Severe siphon warpage and she's on the wrong side of the continent. The owner could have simply invested in a western locomotive and things might be less critical. The tragedy, in my mind, is a set of four locomotives from a single railroad class, managed to survive Dieselization. In the correct hands, each of them ran, built a following, and has earned the right to continue in those roles. 2124 could run again, I guess. 2101 could run again, I'm pretty certain. 2102 will likely run again, someday. 2100 is damaged, lost in an environment where she's a stranger, a vandalism target, and at risk of being possibly butchered with little to show as a result, yet she has run recently. Pretty sad situation.

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 Post subject: Re: Reading 2124 Restoration
PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:24 pm 

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Eastern WA state is a better location to store 2100 outside than anywhere on the east coast/mid-Atlantic. Cosmetic theft and vandalism is the biggest risk at it's current location instead of theft, vandalism and serious rot if left outside in the east. Richland, WA is a desert climate and is no Seattle. For whatever reason it was moved at the end of the operation, it was a good move.

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 Post subject: Re: Reading 2124 Restoration
PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:29 pm 

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Some excerpts from Trainorders:

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#2100 has a bent side rod! Thus, initial "test runs around the yard" up in London, Ont. produced numerous overheated rod bearings, prior to the 2100 ever "hitting the main line". When the locomotive was on its flatcar, en route to British Columbia, for transfer to the USA & Tacoma, the CP 2816 steam crew looked her over and plainly saw the bent rod.


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Well, other than a Grainger furnace burner, no brickwork, burner in the wrong end, crappy fuel and a bent side rod, I guess she's OK?


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I won't get into all the atrocious things I saw when I was around it but one major problem was that because of the sometimes downright awful treatment it received, the firebox DID appear to leak badly, which resulted in the engine losing water at an alarming rate when standing (obviously when running as well). Couple this with the fact that the feed-water pump didn't work AT ALL, at least for the first few runs, and the injector was QUITE difficult to start (I know how to start an injector), and we are lucky that it ended without a major mishap. I'll discuss privately some of the other problems I saw first-hand if anyone wants to know, but this is enough for now.


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When they switched from coal to oil, instead of a traditional installation of an atomizer in the front of the firebox, they put a steel plate over the firedoor and mounted a furnace type burner (that's what it looked like) to the plate, and it seemed to direct the fire towards the rear tube/flue sheet.It also was said the capacity of the burner used was not enough to keep the heat in the firebox uniform, no matter where it was placed, which resulted in damage to the firebox itself..


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It was impossible to maintain working pressure with anything beyond the throttle barely open and the evaporation rate was so poor that it couldn't even maintain pressure when the gun was turned on!!

In addition it has resulted in substantial damage to the firebox side sheets/combustion chamber due to improper air introduction mechanics/design.

In short, a total failure.

Fortunatly Mr. Payne went broke before anyone was seriously injured or worse, so I guess we need to be grateful for that!!


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From the available evidence there does appear to be substantial discoloration of areas of the sidesheets in the firebox and combustion chamber which may or may not be indicitive of serious internal damage??? The only way to really know is to do a VERY thorough boiler inspection ( including an ultrasound) by acredited professionals.


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 Post subject: Re: Reading 2124 Restoration
PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 12:34 am 

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Guys....it's just firebox repairs. Take a deep breath and cool down.

Straightening a rod is a little time in a press and overhauling appliances is just a trip to Backshop for pro quality overhaul.

This is all the sort of thing done everyday in the 1950s, less frequently now but still nothing terribly difficult. The hard part is actually finding a good business reason to have a T hog up and running. I suggest you work on that instead of gloom and doom about repairs.

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 Post subject: Re: Reading 2124 Restoration
PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:30 am 

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The point is not the bent rod, it's the illustration of how this engine was treated, and the notion that she really is a big basket case a long way from home that has seen a lot of unnecessary abuse.


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 Post subject: Re: Reading 2124 Restoration
PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 9:22 am 

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If someone's life mission is to get a Rdg. T-1 running again the obvious first choice is the 2102. Andy Muller is a reasonable business man and I'm sure if he were presented a viable, soundly financed business plan covering returning the 2102 to service he would give it serious consideration. The other 3 are frought with problems and of all of them the 2100 is the least likely candidate between its legal issues and the terrible abuse it suffered during its last operation.

IMHO-Ross Rowland


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 Post subject: Re: Reading 2124 Restoration
PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 10:15 am 

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Ross, looking at it from a business viewpoint, looking at it as a machine, I guess you are correct. Looking at it as a needless heartache and a justifiable surrender, then I can't simply write 2100 off. This becomes a tragedy in that case.

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 Post subject: Re: Reading 2124 Restoration
PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 11:08 am 

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Getting emotional about either business or mechanical situations doesn't lead to any worthwhile enlightenment.

The business plan failed. So did the business.

The mechanical plan for the choice of a Wootten fireboxed anthracite burner and hauler to be relocated to a line it wasn't designed for and altered (and badly) to try to burn a fuel it wasn't designed for also failed.

I don't know about the details of the business failure, but most knowledgeable people could have forseen the mechanical failure.

Misguided, certainly. Unfortunate, also....but more unfortunate for the entrepreneur who failed and his investors than for us bystanders. Anybody with the money and motivation can make any necessary repairs and convert her back to the fuel for which she was designed, and find a line that resembles the Reading to run her on.

Apart from a nice object lesson in choosing the right locomotive for the right use, there isn't much to be gained by agonizing and lamentation. By no means is she a basket case, nor only worthy of scrapping. This is an opportunity for somebody down the line, if that somebody approaches it rationally, not emotionally.

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 Post subject: Re: Reading 2124 Restoration
PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 11:14 am 

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Mr.Glueck, Sometimes in life we have to come to be at peace with things we can not change. The 2100 is in terrible shape both physically and legally and the hurdles that would be needed to overcome in attempting to return her to service are MUCH greater than the challenges represented by the 2102.

It's all relative.

If you're determined to see 2100 steam again then get busy doing what it will take to get there and go with my best wishes for success.

Ross Rowland


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 Post subject: Re: Reading 2124 Restoration
PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 11:36 am 

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Please allow me to get a hockey mask and flame retardant suit on first, but it sounds like swapping the (currently inoperable?) 2100 for the (more easily restored?) 2124 with Steamtown to return 2124 to operation somewhere wouldn't be an unreasonable goal. That would put the "Class" locomotive of the series in the museum. Most museums like having the first or last of something in their collection. Wouldn't be Steamtown's first trade under NPS ownership.


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 Post subject: Re: Reading 2124 Restoration
PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 11:39 am 

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Ross, Dave, and all other friends of steam, I do hope somebody is able to untangle the 2100 mess. Right now, we are frying our own fish, and moving forward, I may add!

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