Surviving Pullman Heavyweight Sleeping Cars

Rainier Rails · **Posted:** Mon Jan 13, 2025 3:11 am

Update:

On Tuesday, September 23rd, 2014, 7th Post on Page #24, Rainier Rails wrote:

235. Courtier (Lot #4353, Plan #2521B, 1915, 10S-lng-obs)--sold to B&O #7400 (1948) to MofW #X-4300 (1950) renumbered to #940704 (when??) to Chessie System sold to WMSR (when??)

Via the Surviving Passenger Cars group on Facebook, a report was posted that this car was in the process of being prepped for scrapping (already partially disassembled) this last Summer at WMSR.

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Rainier Rails · **Posted:** Mon Jan 13, 2025 4:09 am

Update:

On Sunday, December 25th, 2022, 14th & 15th Posts on Page #50, Rainier Rails wrote:

373. Palm Point (Lot #6337, Plan #3975F/H/J/X, 1930, 3C-1DR-buf-lng-obs-sol, Everglades Limited)--sold to NP #1735 (1948) to #349 (1949) to #749 (1953) retired (1965) sold to Depot House Express restaurant (Rochester, MN) restaurant closed, property to Salvation Army (Rochester) later resold to Doug Brown (Farmington Hills, MI) later resold to Richard Henderson (Silver Springs, MD) later resold to Midwest Chapter NRHS-Midwest Railway Heritage Foundation (MRHF) (Cleveland), MRHF later renamed to Midwest Railway Preservation Society (MRPS), car listed for sale in 2014 and resold to Richard Kulik, still located at the MRPS ex-B&O roundhouse in Cleveland, undergoing restoration

As posted in the Surviving Passenger Cars group on Facebook, by the car's one-time owner, Doug Brown, this car is now listed for sale:

https://ozarkmountainrailcar.com/railEquipment.php?itemId=4106&category=Passenger%20Equipment

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Rainier Rails · **Posted:** Sat Jan 18, 2025 11:09 pm

Update:

On Monday, January 6th, 2014, 10th Post on Page #3, Rainier Rails wrote:

7. Kitchi Gammi Club (Lot #4690, Plan #4025R, 1923/37, 8S-buf-sol-lng-obs, NKP, ex-Mountain View)--sold to NKP #7 (1948) to N&W #107 (1964) to #521417 to VA Rail Investment Corp #7 (#800705) (1989)

As posted in several groups on Facebook, Chuck Akers and Chuck Jensen of VRIC have now sold this car to the Fort Wayne RHS.

Here's the announcement as posted by Mr. Jensen:

Chuck Jensen wrote:

Chuck Akers and Chuck Jensen after owning the historic passenger car Kitchi Gammi Club for 36 years announce the sale of the car to the Fort Wayne Railroad Historical Society.

The former Nickel Plate Car 7 will join steam locomotive NKP 765 as part of the historic operating equipment of the group.

Virginia Rail Investment Corporation actually owned the car longer than the NKP/N&W/NS combined.

Akers and Jensen purchased the car from NS in 1989 as it was headed to scrap. The car was completely refurbished and first operated in 1994 with its first revenue trip behind N&W 611 thought out the last year of the original NS Steam Program. The Amtrak certified car operated tens of thousands of miles while under Virginia Rails ownership with multiple trips each year.

The car which is the only Amtrak certified heavyweight open section car left operating in the United States ran multiple trips per year and regularly operated to most of the NRHS conventions since 1997.

Virginia Rail is excited to transfer the ownership to the Fort Wayne Group so that it legacy may be carried forward.

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Rainier Rails · **Posted:** Thu Jan 23, 2025 8:53 pm

Update:

On Thursday, July 9th, 2020, 8th Post on Page #41, Rainier Rails wrote:

452. Unknown 12S-1DR sleeper used as part of a business along the former CB&Q in Parkville, MO. The business has since closed, based on what I can tell at this point, car is not in any immediate danger; I am currently waiting on a possible answer to this car's ID, will update in the future if said info becomes known.

Another TO thread from 2011, apparently the car was formerly part of the "Vassar Junction Restaurant"/"Vassar Playhouse" near Vassar, KS (but again, nothing on the car's ID): https://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?11,2495928

As posted in the Pullman Company group on Facebook, this car has received a fresh coat of Pullman Green paint, and is now lettered as Willoughby, though this is not the car's actual former Pullman name.

As posted there by local John Perkowski, an explanatory note:

John Perkowski wrote:

Because ever since I arrived in Parkville in 1989, the common assessment, sponsored by known people of that generation, such as David Engle, believe that the car had come from a Missouri Pacific scrapping sale.

By the way, the name is not the original car name, David Duncan worked with the current owners and the list of cars of the 2410 type in Kansas City to determine what were the available cars by name, then the site owner picked one of those names.

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Rainier Rails · **Posted:** Tue Mar 04, 2025 10:51 pm

Update:

On Wednesday, January 8th, 2014, 3rd Post on Page #7, Rainier Rails wrote:

Where Are They Now?

Augusta (Lot #4160, Plan #4018, 1913/32, buf-plr-lng, ACL, ex-Ashland, nee-Folkstone)--sold to ACL (1944) to Tennessee Southern #2 Miss Judy

On Wednesday, January 8th, 2014, 4th Post on Page #7, jmlaboda wrote:

The last I have heard about this car it was being stored indoors in Mount Pleasant, Tn. was the last report, but it is up for sale.

As posted in the Pullman Company group on Facebook, this car is currently in the process of being scrapped.

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Rainier Rails · **Posted:** Fri Mar 07, 2025 4:47 am

Another Survivor:

As posted in the Railroad Passenger Car Photos group on Facebook.

493. Wilmington (Lot #3986, Plan #2416, 1912, plr [26]-1DR, PRR)--sold to CN (8/1941) and converted to 62 seat coach #5310 (2/1942), to GTW #5310 (c. 1948), now located at ex-MC depot, Lansing, MI

Photos:

1. 11/23/2019: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=5230722 (Nicholas Katz photo)

2. 08/08/2009: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1716903 (Nicholas Katz photo)

Sources:

1. "The Complete Roster of Heavyweight Pullman Cars" by Robert J. Wayner (Wayner Publications, 1985)

2. "Passenger Car Catalog: Pullman Operated Equipment, 1912-1949" by William W. Kratville (Kratville Publications, 1968)

3. Tom Madden's Pullman Project CCR database: http://pullmanproject.com/Database.htm

4. Railroad Passenger Car Photos group on Facebook

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Rainier Rails · **Posted:** Fri Apr 11, 2025 1:15 pm

More Survivors:

As posted in the following thread: https://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=45060

494. Welaka (Lot #4318, Plan #2410B, 1915, 12S-1DR, NYNH&H)--13S Tourist #1163 (9/1941)--sold to B&M (11/1949) and converted to baggage #3294 (12/1950) to #3309 (4/1954) to MofW service #W309 (10/1961) to Guilford, to Pan Am, to CSX, donated to 470 Club (5/2023)

495. Crysler (Lot #3893, Plan #2410, 1911, 12S-1DR, NYC)--13S Tourist #1568 (12/1940)--sold to B&M (11/1949) and converted to baggage #3289 (12/1950) to #3304 (8/1954) to MofW service #W304 (10/1961) to Guilford, to Pan Am, to CSX, active at least through 2023

Sources:

1. "The Complete Roster of Heavyweight Pullman Cars" by Robert J. Wayner (Wayner Publications, 1985)

2. "Passenger Car Catalog: Pullman Operated Equipment, 1912-1949" by William W. Kratville (Kratville Publications, 1968)

3. Tom Madden's Pullman Project CCR database: http://pullmanproject.com/Database.htm

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Rainier Rails · **Posted:** Fri Apr 11, 2025 1:39 pm

Another Survivor:

As posted in the Railroad Passenger Car Photos group on Facebook.

496. Annadore (Lot #4106, Plan #2410, 4/1913, 12S-1DR, IC)--13S Tourist #1950 (6/1941)--sold for scrap (6/1954) to unknown party (Wickwire-Spencer-Roblin Steel?), stored North Tonawanda, NY, as of 4/2006

As this is a new find, I took some time to see if any more recent information on this car could be found. Using the photos from 2006, the given latitude and longitude coordinates (42.984966 N, -78.936499 W) plugged into Google Earth reveals via satellite imagery (dated 4/2024) that the car is still in-situ nearly two decades later. Car is located in the woods on the west side of state highway 266, directly south of the Lafarge cement plant.

2006 Photos:

4/23/2006: https://www.flickr.com/photos/sigma/3455175707/ (Chris Smart photo)

4/27/2006: https://www.flickr.com/photos/sigma/135862408 (Chris Smart photo)

Sources:

1. "The Complete Roster of Heavyweight Pullman Cars" by Robert J. Wayner (Wayner Publications, 1985)

2. "Passenger Car Catalog: Pullman Operated Equipment, 1912-1949" by William W. Kratville (Kratville Publications, 1968)

3. Tom Madden's Pullman Project CCR database: http://pullmanproject.com/Database.htm

4. Railroad Passenger Car Photos group on Facebook

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