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| Author: | Ross Rowland [ Wed Jul 21, 2004 4:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | FROM THE FRONT-2 |
AS of 4p.m. EDT 7/22/04 here's where we are with the #33 project; 1. 45 men&0ne lady-are working two extended shifts and making GREAT progress. We have accomplished the following since my last report: a. completed reassembly of all spring rigging and running gear assemblies, b. re-installed all driving boxes/wedges, c. re-installed all drivers d. fitted,stress releaved and finished in place welding of both thermic syphons e. completed installation of remaining flues/tubes including rolling f. installed cab g. installed exhaust steam injector system We are now working on the final jobs to allow us to close up the boiler system and test the boiler on air/warm water then steam. Lord and Murphy willing we are scheduked to light her off for the first time on Monday(7/27)at 0900. I believe we'll make that and based on the quality of the work done that she'll steam well and be one of the stars of the Trainfestival2004 show! Please keep us in your Prayers and thoughts. Thanks, Ross rrowland@weidel.com |
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| Author: | finderskeepers [ Wed Jul 21, 2004 4:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: FROM THE FRONT-2 |
Assuming she is ready to go with no problems, how will her availability slot into the excursion schedule. Will she take over some of the trips for 1293? On the trainfestival website it looks like 1293 and 6325 are doing everything, what about their ten wheeler and now #33? > AS of 4p.m. EDT 7/22/04 here's where we are > with the #33 project; > 1. 45 men&0ne lady-are working two > extended shifts and making GREAT progress. > We have accomplished the following since my > last report: > a. completed reassembly of all spring > rigging and running gear assemblies, > b. re-installed all driving boxes/wedges, > c. re-installed all drivers > d. fitted,stress releaved and finished in > place welding of both thermic syphons > e. completed installation of remaining > flues/tubes including rolling > f. installed cab > g. installed exhaust steam injector system > We are now working on the final jobs to > allow us to close up the boiler system and > test the boiler on air/warm water then > steam. > Lord and Murphy willing we are scheduked to > light her off for the first time on > Monday(7/27)at 0900. > I believe we'll make that and based on the > quality of the work done that she'll steam > well and be one of the stars of the > Trainfestival2004 show! > Please keep us in your Prayers and thoughts. > Thanks, Ross |
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| Author: | David [ Wed Jul 21, 2004 5:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: FROM THE FRONT-2 |
The 10 wheeler #1551 has been out of commission for a few years now and I don't believe it will even be at trainfest as a static display. As for #33, I too am anxious to hear how it will be used during the festival. However, my gut instict is telling me that it will not be pulling any trips unless there is substantial time for break-in runs next week. With multiple excursions and multiple locomotives operating at the same time, I don't picture them wanting to throw an engine fresh out of a rebuild into the excursion mix. |
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| Author: | Jason Johnson [ Wed Jul 21, 2004 7:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: FROM THE FRONT-2 |
David is correct. The 33 will be open for cab tours most of the weekend and will operate from time to time as a demostration only. After Train Festival 2004 she will receive all the break in runs she'll need and the fine tuning for operating. She is scheduled to operate her first excursion on October 9 out of Canal Winchester, Ohio just south of Columbus on the Indiana and Ohio Railway. More info will be posted soon about that trip. We hope to see everyone out next week. Jason Johnson Chairman Train Festival 2004 jmjohnson@ohiocentral.com Train Festival 2004 jmjohnson@ohiocentral.com |
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| Author: | TJ Gaffney [ Wed Jul 21, 2004 10:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: FROM THE FRONT-2 |
As one of the "45 (?!), I will say only this --- "an experience of a lifetime," doesn't even do what all of us are experiencing justice. Feel fortunate to be amongst a great group of people, working toward a common goal. Going to sleep now so I might be able to make some sense again soon. Leave with our montra, screamed many times a day here: GET 'ER DONE! TJG tjgaffney@phmuseum.org |
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| Author: | Aarne H. Frobom [ Thu Jul 22, 2004 11:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Forming syphons; chokes? |
> 45 men & one lady are working two extended shifts and making GREAT progress . . . fitted,stress releaved and finished in place welding of both thermic syphons. This sounds utterly amazing, like the kind of labor intensity you would have found in a steam shop in 1904, not 2004. For the benefit of the small but growing group of operators who have had to, or will have to, make new Nicholson thermic syphons, how were the new syphons formed for the 33? For PM 1225, the straight portions of the syphons were formed on a brake at an architectural-ironworks shop, and the compound-curved portions were hot-formed with wooden mallets over steel mandrels. Then the six parts (including new tubular necks) were welded in place, as if the parts were individual patches. These assemblies were not stress-relieved. The new material extends partway up the sides, so quite a few staybolts were involved. I presume the syphons for the 1522 and 765 were done about the same way. One question we never resolved regarding the 1225's syphons was how widespread was the practice of putting what we call "chokes" in the syphons. In the course of our research, we discovered a C&O blueprint for a plate of steel a couple feet long (can't remember the exact length) to be laid on top of the lowest row of staybolts in the flat section of the syphon, and retained by wrapping the ends around two of the stays. This was a late (early fifties) change made by the Advisory Mechanical Committee. Water can flow up through the syphon only at the front and back. The apparent purpose was to force most of the flow through the syphon to flow the length of the bottom of the syphon, from the neck all the way to the rounded back end, rather than flowing upward immediately after entering the syphon. Presumably this short-circuiting starved the back of the syphon for cool water and contributed to overheating. Since the 1225's original syphons were most heavily deteriorated at the backs, we elected to install these chokes in the new syphons. Has anyone else ever heard of this modification, or found it in a preserved locomotive? Aarne Frobom The Steam Railroading Institute P. O. Box 665 Owosso, MI 48867-0665 |
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| Author: | Howard P. [ Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Forming syphons; chokes? |
Aarne: During a visit to Morgan Run in January, I recall seeing steel syphon mandrels marked "MSTRP", on a pallet next to some big sheets of boiler steel. You're right-- it sounds like a 1904 steam backshop, or even like Hagerstown roundhouse/backshop during the summer of 1980. Railroad Museum of New England hpincus@mindspring.com |
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| Author: | Ross Rowland [ Fri Jul 23, 2004 7:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Forming syphons; chokes? |
> fitted,stress releaved and finished in place > welding of both thermic syphons. > This sounds utterly amazing, like the kind > of labor intensity you would have found in a > steam shop in 1904, not 2004. > For the benefit of the small but growing > group of operators who have had to, or will > have to, make new Nicholson thermic syphons, > how were the new syphons formed for the 33? > For PM 1225, the straight portions of the > syphons were formed on a brake at an > architectural-ironworks shop, and the > compound-curved portions were hot-formed > with wooden mallets over steel mandrels. > Then the six parts (including new tubular > necks) were welded in place, as if the parts > were individual patches. These assemblies > were not stress-relieved. > The new material extends partway up the > sides, so quite a few staybolts were > involved. I presume the syphons for the 1522 > and 765 were done about the same way. > One question we never resolved regarding the > 1225's syphons was how widespread was the > practice of putting what we call > "chokes" in the syphons. In the > course of our research, we discovered a > C&O blueprint for a plate of steel a > couple feet long (can't remember the exact > length) to be laid on top of the lowest row > of staybolts in the flat section of the > syphon, and retained by wrapping the ends > around two of the stays. This was a late > (early fifties) change made by the Advisory > Mechanical Committee. > Water can flow up through the syphon only at > the front and back. The apparent purpose was > to force most of the flow through the syphon > to flow the length of the bottom of the > syphon, from the neck all the way to the > rounded back end, rather than flowing upward > immediately after entering the syphon. > Presumably this short-circuiting starved the > back of the syphon for cool water and > contributed to overheating. Since the 1225's > original syphons were most heavily > deteriorated at the backs, we elected to > install these chokes in the new syphons. > Has anyone else ever heard of this > modification, or found it in a preserved > locomotive? > Aarne Frobom > The Steam Railroading Institute > P. O. Box 665 > Owosso, MI 48867-0665 The new syphons for the 33 were made here at the Morgan Run shop much as Aarne described. I don't know about the fine details as discussed above and am sure either Gary Bensman or John Rimmasch will share those details after Trainfestival2004 is over. The activity here is very reminisint of the way Hagerstown looked during the 1980 re-build of the 614, and the daily progress is truly amazing to witness. Hopefully Mondays test firing will be successfull and she'll be soon on her way to Trainfestival to make lots of folks smile! Please Keep us in your thoughts and prayers! Ross Rowland rrowland@weidel.com |
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| Author: | John Bohon [ Fri Jul 23, 2004 7:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Forming syphons; chokes? |
> You're right-- it sounds like a 1904 steam > backshop, or even like Hagerstown > roundhouse/backshop during the summer of > 1980. I remember Hagerstown in 1980. Two things come to mind. First, wasn't the Western Maryland (Chessie System) a gracious host allowing all of those people in their working roundhouse day after day? The other thing is that in spite of the long hours and hard work it was fun and everybody was working toward the same goal. I have been a part of a few other big pushes and have always enjoyed them. With all this in mind I have told several of my friends that if I had the choice of attending Trainfest or working in the shop on the 33 and not going to Trainfest I would easily choose to be in the shop. Unfortunately I can do neither but if you can get away to work on the 33 do it. I'll guarantee you will not regret the decision. I envy those who are in the shop at Morgan Run. Good luck. I know the 33 will be in steam at Trainfest. John Bohon jhbohon@yahoo.com |
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