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| Author: | K.R. Bell [ Wed Apr 19, 2000 4:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Steam Locomotives Underwater |
Has anyone ever compiled a list of steam locomotives that lie on the bottom of rivers, streams or lakes? Perhaps it might make an interesting addenda to Dave Conrad's two-volume work on surviving steam in North America. Supposedly 14 Norris-built locomotives from c.1840's lie on the bottom of Lake Erie; and there's that "often told tale" of a DL&W camelback resting in a shallow watery grave in Delaware Water Gap, the casualty of a mid-20th century derailment. Anyone care to share some info on sunken locomotives survivors? <br> |
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| Author: | Mike Stickel [ Wed Apr 19, 2000 5:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Steam Locomotives Underwater |
There is a nice website regarding RR equip. lost or abandoned in the U.S. Here is its address.<p>http://nt1.foothill.net/rumorweb<p>Mike Stickel<br> masticke@indiana.edu |
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| Author: | Phil [ Wed Apr 26, 2000 3:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Steam Locomotives Underwater/DL&W Pocono |
Is there any truth to the rumor of a DL&W Pocono in the Delaware Water Gap? I have heard that equipment is there, but I don't know any specifics.<p>Thanks, <p>Phil<br> ELRRco@AOL.com |
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| Author: | Brian Hebert [ Tue Apr 27, 2004 8:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Steam Locomotives Underwater |
Yes, I have been trying to keep a list of lost locomotives since about 1986 with the hope of putting it all down in a book. I still plan to, and work on it a little every now and then. Maybe I can "dig" into lost locos a little more once we are moved into our new home. I don't have any numbers right off the bat, but can tell you that there are dozens of submerged locomotives in North America. One of my favorites I'm looking into is the loss of a Central Pacific locomotive in 1867 or early 1868 that was brand new. The loss of the locomotive was reported to E.B. Crocker by C.P. Huntington on March 21st,1868. In a report to Crocker on materials and equipment being shipped west for the building of the Transcontinental Railroad, Huntington wrote "Earlier, an unidentified locomotive sank with a lighter in the Hudson River." A "lighter" is like a barge.Many of these locomotives came from the Alco works in Schenectedy (near Albany) and were shipped mostly crated, but this one may not have been since the CP at the time was buying up locos from everywhere and may have had more than one supplier that used the Hudson River as a shipping route. I'd be very interested to hear from anyone who can shed more light on this. Brian btamper@hotmail.com |
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| Author: | K.R. Bell [ Tue Apr 27, 2004 9:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | A Good Source on Sunken Locomotives |
My old friend Jack White, former Curator of Transportation at the Smithsonian, has an avid interest in sunken locomotives, particularly those of 19th c. vintage. He has written a couple of articles along these lines, including a story about how fourteen locomotives were lost in Lake Erie in 1851. For a good article on this topic, see John H. White, Jr., "Moving and Losing Locomotives," Vermillion, Ohio: Great Lakes Historical Society (Spring 1996), pp. 56-62+69. > Yes, I have been trying to keep a list of > lost locomotives since about 1986 with the > hope of putting it all down in a book. I > still plan to, and work on it a little every > now and then. Maybe I can "dig" > into lost locos a little more once we are > moved into our new home. > I don't have any numbers right off the bat, > but can tell you that there are dozens of > submerged locomotives in North America. > One of my favorites I'm looking into is the > loss of a Central Pacific locomotive in 1867 > or early 1868 that was brand new. The loss > of the locomotive was reported to E.B. > Crocker by C.P. Huntington on March > 21st,1868. > In a report to Crocker on materials and > equipment being shipped west for the > building of the Transcontinental Railroad, > Huntington wrote "Earlier, an > unidentified locomotive sank with a lighter > in the Hudson River." > A "lighter" is like a barge.Many > of these locomotives came from the Alco > works in Schenectedy (near Albany) and were > shipped mostly crated, but this one may not > have been since the CP at the time was > buying up locos from everywhere and may have > had more than one supplier that used the > Hudson River as a shipping route. > I'd be very interested to hear from anyone > who can shed more light on this. > Brian |
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| Author: | K.R. Bell [ Tue Apr 27, 2004 9:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | White Redux |
Another good article is John H. White, Jr., "Underwater Recovery of Locomotives," Vermillion, Ohio: Great Lakes Historical Society (Fall 1996), pp. 234-236. > My old friend Jack White, former Curator of > Transportation at the Smithsonian, has an > avid interest in sunken locomotives, > particularly those of 19th c. vintage. He > has written a couple of articles along these > lines, including a story about how fourteen > locomotives were lost in Lake Erie in 1851. > For a good article on this topic, see John > H. White, Jr., "Moving and Losing > Locomotives," Vermillion, Ohio: Great > Lakes Historical Society (Spring 1996), pp. > 56-62+69. |
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| Author: | K.R. Bell [ Tue Apr 27, 2004 10:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Steam Locomotives Underwater |
Three good sources on Central Pacific RR locomotives--Jim Wilke of Los Angeles, Kyle Wyatt and Wendell Huffman, both of Sacramento. > Yes, I have been trying to keep a list of > lost locomotives since about 1986 with the > hope of putting it all down in a book. I > still plan to, and work on it a little every > now and then. Maybe I can "dig" > into lost locos a little more once we are > moved into our new home. > I don't have any numbers right off the bat, > but can tell you that there are dozens of > submerged locomotives in North America. > One of my favorites I'm looking into is the > loss of a Central Pacific locomotive in 1867 > or early 1868 that was brand new. The loss > of the locomotive was reported to E.B. > Crocker by C.P. Huntington on March > 21st,1868. > In a report to Crocker on materials and > equipment being shipped west for the > building of the Transcontinental Railroad, > Huntington wrote "Earlier, an > unidentified locomotive sank with a lighter > in the Hudson River." > A "lighter" is like a barge.Many > of these locomotives came from the Alco > works in Schenectedy (near Albany) and were > shipped mostly crated, but this one may not > have been since the CP at the time was > buying up locos from everywhere and may have > had more than one supplier that used the > Hudson River as a shipping route. > I'd be very interested to hear from anyone > who can shed more light on this. > Brian |
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| Author: | Jiim Adams [ Thu Apr 29, 2004 9:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Steam Locomotives Underwater |
> Is there any record of the locotives and rolling stock that went down with the ships that were sunk during WW2 when we were shipping all that stuff to our allies? One of my jobs at that time was to inspect the material we were crating for shipment with the new cars we were building for the RR Battalions. I have often wondered just how much of that stuff actually got where it was supposed to. Jim Three good sources on Central Pacific RR > locomotives--Jim Wilke of Los Angeles, Kyle > Wyatt and Wendell Huffman, both of > Sacramento. |
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