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| Author: | Drewdog [ Fri Jun 26, 1998 8:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Southern Excursion Fleet |
Does anyone know what happened to all of the passenger coaches from the Southern/Norfolk Southern excursion fleet after the steam program ended? I know that certain office cars were kept for inspection trains/executive trains, but what about the coaches?<br> ad29695@appstate.edu |
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| Author: | Dave [ Fri Jun 26, 1998 9:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Southern Excursion Fleet |
Much of that fleet was leased from NRHS chapters and other private suppliers. Many of those cars still survive and limp along museum or to, are occasionally leased to some unsuspecting individual, or rust on sidings. I think most of the owned cars were sold at the auction. <p>Dave<br> lathro19@idt.net |
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| Author: | Alexander D. Mitchell IV [ Sat Jun 27, 1998 11:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Southern Excursion Fleet |
<br>A good many of the auctioned cars were snapped up by the Western Maryland Scenic Railroad, and these cars now roll between Cumberland and Frostburg in excursion service.<br> LNER4472@gateway.net |
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| Author: | Dick Brundage [ Sun Jul 12, 1998 12:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Southern Excursion Fleet |
I think at least one or two might have ended up on the Napa Valley Wine Train in California.<br><br> bnsftulsa@aol.com |
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| Author: | southern154 [ Mon Jul 01, 2013 4:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Southern Excursion Fleet |
I know that a few of the older cars were bought by the Rio Grande Scenic in Alamosa, and a couple others went to VMT. |
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| Author: | Andrew Durden [ Mon Jul 01, 2013 5:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Southern Excursion Fleet |
Wow...way to resurrect an old thread. I started it back in my Appalachian State Days! |
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| Author: | Bobharbison [ Mon Jul 01, 2013 5:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Southern Excursion Fleet |
The last I knew, the Lookout Mountain Obs Car was on the Hood River Scenic RR. Is it still there, or has it wandered someplace new? I was surprised to see it there quite a few years back, having ridden it many years ago on the Southern trips. |
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| Author: | Andrew Durden [ Mon Jul 01, 2013 6:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Southern Excursion Fleet |
Bobharbison wrote: The last I knew, the Lookout Mountain Obs Car was on the Hood River Scenic RR. Is it still there, or has it wandered someplace new? I was surprised to see it there quite a few years back, having ridden it many years ago on the Southern trips. It was transferred to San Luis and Rio Grande a while back. I think it has been painted in IC colors, along with the rest of the train set. Riding in the Lookout Mountain over La Veta, behind steam, is quite spectacular. |
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| Author: | Mark Z. Yerkes [ Mon Jul 01, 2013 6:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Southern Excursion Fleet |
I believe DL&W diner 469 was a part of the fleet. It is currently owned by ELDCPS. |
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| Author: | Gary Gray [ Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Southern Excursion Fleet |
Several veterans of the "fleet" are now owned by Iowa Pacific, see the recent Trains Magazine article. The "Lake Pearl" and open air car "W. Graham Claytor" went to VMT after the Dismal Swamp derailment of 1986, when all cars without tightlock couplers & roller bearings were retired. Lake Pearl is currently undergoing cosmetic restoration at the Roanoke Chapter's 9th St yard :https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.553039804748354.1073741829.168975893154749&type=3 We plan on restoring the W. Graham Claytor eventually for use on the special events train rides at VMT. Secondary tool car 9647 is also at VMT, it came there when 611 returned. Roanoke Chapter NRHS had 10 cars that served in the fleet, and purchased tool car N&W 1407 at the NS auction in 1995. Ex-SR coaches 1205 and 1204 were retired in the late 70's & early 80's respectively. Both now belong to Iowa Pacific. Ex-Southern 10-6 sleeper 2021 "Yadkin River" and ex-SR/C of G combine 727 "Ft. Mitchell" were retired in the early 90's after NS required substantial upgrades of all equipment and smooth sides with red paint. 727 is now at Cuyohoga Valley Scenic RR, 2021 went into private ownership and may now belong to Iowa Pacific. Ex-N&W/Wabash coach 1829 was destroyed in the yard collision in Lynchburg shortly before the old Steam Program shut down. Several years ago we sold ex-N&W/Wabash coach 1827 and ex-IC Observation 3305 "Mardi Gras" to Monticello RR Museum and Iowa Pacific respectively. Lest anyone wrongly conjecture that this was due to financial issues, I assure you it was not. Both groups wanted these specific cars and bugged the snot out of us to buy them, paying what was then on the high side of market value. The Chapter still owns N&W 1407, 512, and 537, as well as commissary GN Dinette-Dormitory 1148. 1407 and 537 are under lease to TVRM, 1407 travels with 630 and 537 is usually used on TVRM's local trips. 512 and 1148 are at VMT, and are used for train rides and special events. Of the NS owned cars, 28 (N&W 501) and 29 (N&W 533) are still in NS ownership and used with the current Steam Program, as well as OCS and Operation Lifesaver service. The N&W 1700 series cars were retired during the late 1980's, one is in Crewe Va at the Museum there, and two are in Maryland. Some N&W 500's were also retired in the late 80's and went into private ownership, among them are TVRM 531 and WATX 539. The rest were sold at auction in 1995, along with the 800 series Southern cars. Some of these are at WMSR and GSMSRR. |
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| Author: | Tavor [ Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Southern Excursion Fleet |
Also, one of the ex Western Maryland Scenic cars is now at KRM. |
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| Author: | PaulWWoodring [ Tue Jul 02, 2013 9:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Southern Excursion Fleet |
Combine/recording car Man 'O War went to the WMSR. Don't know if it is still there. |
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| Author: | dwither1 [ Wed Jul 03, 2013 8:27 am ] | ||
| Post subject: | Re: Southern Excursion Fleet | ||
Here is a nice photo of Lookout Mountain passing thru Buechel, KY (Louisville) on one of the Southern excursions during the mid to late 1970s. That is my little brother waving. I was happy to run in to Lookout Mountain on the Hood River in Oregon several years ago.
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| Author: | railfan44 [ Wed Jul 03, 2013 8:12 pm ] | |||
| Post subject: | Re: Southern Excursion Fleet | |||
At least two are at Spencer, NC. One, SOU 1081, is undergoing renovation. The first picture is of it in excursion service. The second was taken last winter during exterior sand blasting. The grey primer is applied at the end of the day to the blasted area.
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| Author: | j32885 [ Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Southern/Norfolk Southern Excursion Fleet |
Made a list a while back on the old SOU/NS Fleet. Most was based on old pictures and trains videos. Here's what I got: Southern-Norfolk Southern Steam Program Fleet (1966-1994) # Number Railroad Type Name Personal Name Ownership Steamers 152 L&N 4-6-2 Kentucky Railroad Museum 290 A&WP 4-6-2 Southeastern Railway Museum 587 NKP 2-8-2 Indiana Transportation Museum 610 T&P 2-10-2 Texas State Railroad 610 USA 2-8-0 Tennessee Valley Railroad 611 N&W 4-8-4 Virginia Museum Transportation 630 SOU 2-8-0 Tennessee Valley Railroad 722 SOU 2-8-0 Great Smoky Mountain Railroad 750 S&A 4-6-2 Southeastern Railway Museum 765 NKP 2-8-4 Fort Wayne Historical Society 1218 N&W 2-6-6-4 Virginia Museum Transportation 1522 SLSF 4-8-2 Museum Of Transportation Missouri 2716 C&O 2-8-4 Kentucky Railroad Museum 2839 CPR 4-6-4 Nethercutt Collection 4501 SOU 2-8-2 Tennessee Valley Railroad Water Cars 611A Indiana Transportation Museum 611B (261A) 250002 North Star Rail Inc. 765A Fort Wayne Historical Society 1218A (RPCX) 250001 Virginia Museum Transportation WT51 Tennessee Valley Railroad Tool Cars 25 N&W (WAB) Baggage --------------------- Norfolk Southern 701 N&W (USA) Baggage-K --------------------- Ft. Wayne Historical 710 N&W (CNR) Baggage --------------------- Ft. Wayne Historical 1407 N&W Baggage --------------------- NRHS Roanoke 1701 (361) C&O (PM) Bunk --------------------- Steam Railroad Institute 6565 PRR Mail U.S. Mail-RPO Indiana Transportation 9647 N&W (CNR) Baggage --------------------- Virginia Transportation Passenger Cars (Norfolk Southern) 28 (501) NS (N&W) Coach Powhatan Arrow Norfolk Southern 29 (532) NS (N&W) Coach Powhatan Arrow Norfolk Southern 39 (1003) NS (ATSF) Baggage Generator Norfolk Southern 536 N&W Lounge Powhatan Arrow Great Smoky Mountain 540 N&W Coach Powhatan Arrow Western Maryland 726 SOU (CG) Combination Man “O” War Western Maryland 841 SOU Coach Royal Palm Great Smoky Mountain 842 SOU Coach Southerner CSX Transportation *_* 843 SOU Coach Crescent New York & Greenwood 844 SOU Coach Crescent Western Maryland 845 SOU Coach Tennessean Kentucky RR Museum Passenger Cars (NRHS/Museums/Tourist) 206 (554) SOU (BN) Baggage ------------- Blueridge Scenic Railroad 512 N&W Coach Powhatan Arrow NRHS Roanoke 537 N&W Coach Powhatan Arrow NRHS Roanoke 538 N&W Coach Powhatan Arrow NRHS Roanoke 539 N&W Coach Powhatan Arrow NRHS Watauga Valley 662 SOU (CG) Coach --------------- NRHS Southeastern 676 SOU (GN) Baggage Commissary NRHS North Florida 1148 (1220)N&W (GN) Diner Devils Lake NRHS Roanoke 1827 N&W (WAB) Coach Pocahontas Monticello Railroad Mus. 1829*** N&W (WAB) Coach Pocahontas NRHS Roanoke 2202 N&W (IC-MP) Vista Dome Heart Of Dixie NRHS Dixie 3305 N&W (IC) Observation Mardi Gras Rio Grande Scenic Passenger Cars – Extra (NRHS Clubs) 98 B&O Observation Eden Isle NRHS Tenn. Valley 400 ACL Diner Moultrie NRHS Watauga Valley 500 FEC Diner Clinchfield NRHS Watauga Valley 531 N&W Coach Powhatan Arrow NRHS Tenn. Valley 661 SOU (CG) Coach ---------------- NRHS Tenn. Valley 906 (528) SOU (CG) Coach ---------------- NRHS Tenn. Valley 907 (543) SOU (CG) Coach ---------------- NRHS Tenn. Valley 899 GTW Diner Silver Lake NRHS Bluewater 706 RF&P Coach ---------------- NRHS Old Dominion 1006 N&W (SOU) Coach ---------------- NRHS Old Dominion 1037 SOU Coach ---------------- NRHS Tenn. Valley 1850 C&O Vista Dome Moonlight Dome NRHS Promontory 2931 ATSF Coach ---------------- NRHS Dixie 3158 SOU Diner Traveler’s Fare NRHS Tenn. Valley 4527 SOU Baggage Commissary NRHS Dixie 6604 SEA Observation Global Star IV NRHS Bluewater 9486 (22) CNR (NYC) Combination Haverstraw Bay NRHS Bluewater Passenger Cars – Tourist/Private Equipment 07 N&W (NKP) Lounge Kitchi Gammi Club Virginia Rail Corp 53 MILW Full Dome Super Dome North Star Rail Inc. 58 MILW Full Dome Super Dome Railway Exposition Co. 113 C&O (PM) Lounge Eagle Canon South Branch Valley 200 (7002) N&W (UP) Vista Dome Roanoke Kansas City Southern 257 ATSF Observation-F ----------- -------------------- 277 SOU (D&H) Combination ----------- Cuyahoga Scenic 549 ATSF Coach Pomona Blue Ridge Scenic 715 MILW (NKP) Coach Buckeye Trail Austin & Texas Central 716 MILW (DL&W) Coach Buckeye Lake Austin & Texas Central 965 C&O Diner Gatsby’s Tavern South Branch Valley 1062 SLSF Coach -------------- NRHS Dixie 1231 ------- Lounge -------------- Railroad Power Leasing 1903 C&O Lounge Chessie Club South Branch Valley 2209 SOU Coach New River Valley Iager & Southern 3477 ----- Coach Atlanta Railcar Railroad Power Leasing 5417 NKP Coach Frank L. Kerr Orrville Hist. Rail Club 4802 GTW (UP) Coach -------------- Tennessee Central 4804 GTW (UP) Coach -------------- Tennessee Central 4806 GTW (UP) Coach City Of Huron Tennessee Central 6106 SEA Diner New River Gorge St. Louis Car Company 7003 NYC (UP) Vista Dome Charter Club Charter Wire Company 9401 N&W Lounge Pocahontas Old Smoky RW Museum Southern Railway, Ex-Regular Equipment 534 SOU Baggage ---------------------- NRHS Greensboro 905 SOU (CG) Coach ---------------------- MacGregor Collection 1035** SOU Coach ---------------------- Norfolk Southern 1038** SOU Coach ---------------------- Norfolk Southern 1044** SOU Coach ---------------------- Norfolk Southern 1046** SOU Coach ---------------------- Norfolk Southern 1056 SOU Observation Lookout Mountain Rio Grande Scenic 1067** SOU Coach ---------------------- Norfolk Southern 1068** SOU Coach ---------------------- Norfolk Southern 1081 SOU Coach ---------------------- NC Transportation 1086** SOU Coach ---------------------- Norfolk Southern 1087** SOU Coach ---------------------- Norfolk Southern 1069* SOU Coach Missionary Ridge Norfolk Southern 1070 SOU Coach W. Graham Claytor Jr. Virginia Transportation 2422 SOU Sleeper Lake Pearl Virginia Transportation 3659** SOU(CNOTP) Coach ---------------------- Norfolk Southern 4061* SOU Baggage Queen & Crescent Club Norfolk Southern Private Varnish Equipment 101 N&W Observation Blue Ridge Morristown & Erie 208 N&W Observation Lamberts Point North Star Rail Inc. 300 GEO Observation ---------------- ----------------- Caboose Equipment 555019 N&W Caboose ------------------ Norfolk Southern 555024 N&W Caboose ------------------ Norfolk Southern 555062 N&W Caboose ------------------ Norfolk Southern 555069 N&W Caboose ------------------ Norfolk Southern 555098 N&W Caboose ------------------ Norfolk Southern Norfolk & Western Railway, Ex-Regular Equipment 535 N&W Coach Powhatan Arrow ----------------- Notes * Destroyed/Scrapped In 1986 Excursion Accident ** Put Into MOW Service 1986 Post Excursion Accident *** Destroyed/Scrapped In 1994 Yard Accident This is all I've got on the old SOU/NS program. Please correct any or add any IF corrections need to be made. Enjoy! ^_^ |
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