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| Author: | Ken Willis [ Mon Apr 30, 2001 11:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | P.P. & S. 700/S.P.700 |
I was just looking around in the Ghost Depot site (http\ghostdepot.com) and came across a picture of Southern Pacific 4-8-4 #700 in the section under "Other Railroads." It looks remarkably like S.P. & S. #700 and they are both Baldwins. Were they constructed to the same general plan? kenneth.willis@marad.dot.gov |
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| Author: | Kelly Iverson [ Wed May 02, 2001 4:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: P.P. & S. 700/S.P.700 |
There is no such engine as Southern Pacific 4-8-4 #700. It looks like SP&S #700 because it is. Someone evidently got confused or didn't type the "&S". > I was just looking around in the Ghost Depot > site (http\ghostdepot.com) and came across > a picture of Southern Pacific 4-8-4 #700 in > the section under "Other > Railroads." It looks remarkably like > S.P. & S. #700 and they are both > Baldwins. Were they constructed to the same > general plan? steameng@att.net |
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| Author: | Richard Jenkins [ Wed May 02, 2001 5:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: P.P. & S. 700/S.P.700 *PIC* |
That's what I was expecting too, until I saw the photo. The engine is clearly lettered "Southern Pacific" on the tender and "700" on the cab. But apart from having the same wheel arangement, the same number, and a few road name initials in common, it is a distinctly different engine from the SP&S 700. > There is no such engine as Southern Pacific > 4-8-4 #700. It looks like SP&S #700 > because it is. Someone evidently got > confused or didn't type the > "&S".  rjenkins@railfan.net |
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| Author: | John Cox [ Thu May 03, 2001 1:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: P.P. & S. 700/S.P.700 *PIC* |
> That's what I was expecting too, until I saw > the photo. The engine is clearly lettered > "Southern Pacific" on the tender > and "700" on the cab. But apart > from having the same wheel arangement, the > same number, and a few road name initials in > common, it is a distinctly different engine > from the SP&S 700. The SP #700 was an early '30's Baldwin product, circa 1931. I believe this locomotive went to Texas. The SP&S 700 is a '38 Baldwin. They do have a builder's family resemblance, however, the give away is in the size of the firebox. The NP design (SP&S 700) is considerably larger than its SP distant cousin. http://www.sps700.org johnpcox@juno.com |
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| Author: | John Cox [ Thu May 03, 2001 1:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: P.P. & S. 700/S.P.700 *PIC* |
> The SP #700 was an early '30's Baldwin > product, circa 1931. I believe this > locomotive went to Texas. The SP&S 700 > is a '38 Baldwin. They do have a builder's > family resemblance, however, the give away > is in the size of the firebox. The NP design > (SP&S 700) is considerably larger than > its SP distant cousin. Other major differences are the tender, the 2nd axle of the trailing truck (the NP design had 45" wheels to allow for a booster, the SP did not), the air reservoir (the NP design has the reservoir cast in the frame), and the SP&S 700 has BoxPok drivers. These drivers are obviously smaller than the SP&S 700's, probably 73" versus 77's. The sandbox lines are also different. Many differences. http://www.sps700.org johnpcox@juno.com |
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| Author: | Dave Brown [ Thu May 03, 2001 8:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: P.P. & S. 700/S.P.700 |
I have to ask, what color is the boiler jacket? Was this color used only for the builders photo? smokebox1@home.com |
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| Author: | Tom Shreve [ Thu May 03, 2001 10:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: P.P. & S. 700/S.P.700 |
> Other major differences are the tender, the > 2nd axle of the trailing truck (the NP > design had 45" wheels to allow for a > booster, the SP did not), the air reservoir > (the NP design has the reservoir cast in the > frame), and the SP&S 700 has BoxPok > drivers. These drivers are obviously smaller > than the SP&S 700's, probably 73" > versus 77's. The sandbox lines are also > different. > Many differences. SP 700 was a GS-1 , one of 4 that were assigned to the T&NO. It was later transfered to the Pacific Lines in the early 1950's and given the number 4470. ironbartom@aol.com |
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