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| Author: | Hume Kading [ Tue Jul 12, 2005 2:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Ohio Roundhouses |
Last I knew, there were only two left, the PRR in Crestline and the B&O in Cleveland.Although I wish them luck, the PRR roundhouse is in terrible condition and I think prospects for saving it are dim (unless Bill gates gets interested or something). The last news update on that group's website http://crestlineroundhouse.org/news.htm gives little encouragement that preservation efforts are progressing very far.The B&O roundhouse was the victim of an over zealous demoliton team that went further than intended and caused a partial collapse and destabilization of the structure sometime in 2003. Wondering what's happened since. The groups website at http://www.midwestrailway.org/ offers little insight as to the fate of the structure, although reading thru the Jan./Feb. newsletter one would get the impression the structure is still stadning.Anybody have any further news, good or bad, regarding either structure? |
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| Author: | Ray [ Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ohio Roundhouses |
Bellevue was still standing last time I was there. |
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| Author: | pm-man [ Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ohio Roundhouses |
And Bellevue is arguably the most intact....In terms of "other" steam era items/ facilities, the C&O Coaling tower still stands in Toledo on the east side of I-75 across the Maumee Bridge, and the ex-PRR tower outside Marion along US 23 still exists as well.TJG |
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| Author: | Hume Kading [ Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ohio Roundhouses |
pm-man wrote: And Bellevue is arguably the most intact....In terms of "other" steam era items/ facilities, the C&O Coaling tower still stands in Toledo on the east side of I-75 across the Maumee Bridge, and the ex-PRR tower outside Marion along US 23 still exists as well.TJG I've seen the coaling tower on 23, but didn't know about the other tower.There is also a turntable, I believe it's former NKP, next to the site of the former Lima Loco Works.With regards to Bellevue, I went and looked at the website for the museum there and could find no reference to the roundhouse. So, I presume it's not directly associated with the museum? Is it accessible?
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| Author: | Topfuel [ Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ohio Roundhouses |
I'm no expert on this topic by any means, but I stumbled across what appeared to be at least a partially intact, and very well maintained CSX roundhouse in Columbus, Ohio a few months ago while I was checking out the former Buckeye Steel Castings facility nearby. Both are southeast of downtown Columbus. I have no idea of the heritage of the roundhouse. It appeared to be still in use by CSX. |
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| Author: | bobyar2001 [ Tue Jul 12, 2005 4:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Bellevue |
Last I knew, the Bellevue roundhouse was still in use by the NS track department, for repairing track machinery. It is a modern facility, post-WWII, but I don't know the exact date. I know there is a good aerial view of the roundhouse somewhere on the web, but I can't find it anymore. Meanwhile, here are some lesser quality photos:http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~duplerd/oh/Where02.jpghttp://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~duplerd/o ... 8.jpgGiven its in-use status by NS, and the fact that the coaling tower is no longer standing, the NKP roundhouse at Frankfort, Indiana is probably a better choice to save.According to this list, part of the Conneaut roundhouse might still exist. I last saw it in 1969, when the 2102 was inside. The building was not complete at that time. Conneaut was where they worked on the 759 to get it operable again in 1968:http://nkphts.org/preservation/structures.htmlHere's the 755 on the table at Conneaut. The 755 is now displayed at the museum there, near the ex-NYC depot:http://nkphts.org/preservation/pictures/steam/nkp755jpg.htmlSome more photos of extant NKP steam:http://nkphts.org/preservation/pictures/steam/ |
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| Author: | Tom Cornillie [ Tue Jul 12, 2005 4:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ohio Roundhouses |
From my research on the subject I can share a few thoughts on this. There are a few things that should be noted about structure of both the Crestline roundhouse and the Cleveland roundhouse. The Crestline roundhouse is a late design that uses brick and concrete facing on a steel frame. While much of the brick work is in serious need of repair (or has collasped in some places) this does not affect overall integrity of the remaining structure. The Cleveland roundhouse is of an earlier design that uses masonry walls that stand largely independent from the wood roof and supports. While the wood is in poor shape due to age and damage - this does not mean that the structure is not recoverable. Roundhouses with wood roofs and support structures were designed with the replacement of these components in mind. If you have further interest in the above - come to my upcoming lecture where I will talk about this and how the addressed larger issues facing railroads. (see link below)I have from a reliable source that the Frankfort, IN site has been owned by a scrapper for some time now who plans to demolish the site - and that the turntable has been sold to the Indiana Transportation Museum. From what I have read a credible proposal was never made for the site and the town was mis-informed about environmental liability issues.IF there is to be any hope of saving the Bellevue roundhouse, planning efforts should begin NOW that incorporate a plan for protecting the railroad and town from liability as a primary element. Waiting for the railroad to give up its use is waiting too long. Tom Cornilliehttp://www-personal.umich.edu/~tcornill/lecture.html |
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| Author: | pm-man [ Tue Jul 12, 2005 4:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ohio Roundhouses |
The Columbus one would be the former C&O Parsons Yard Facility I believe. I thought it was still up as well, but as its been a while since I was down there (late 1990's) wasn't sure if it was still there or not.Bellevue Roundhouse Has nothing to do with Mad River & NKP --- it its still owned and used by NS, and is a bit away from the downtown area. TJG |
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| Author: | Ray [ Tue Jul 12, 2005 4:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ohio Roundhouses |
If I remember correctly, Bellevue and Calumet were the last two roundhouses built in the Steam era. |
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| Author: | Mike [ Wed Jul 13, 2005 10:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ohio Roundhouses |
A couple of sources indicate the NKP Bellevue roundhouse was built in 1947. Trains Sept.'03 issue ran a feature on Bellevue in the 1950's with a couple of roundhouse photos ("Heart Of The Nickel Plate" by Tony Koester).Mike |
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