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| Author: | Frank Hicks [ Wed Aug 01, 2001 12:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Neat photo!! ...what is all this stuff? *PIC* |
Bob Yarger's excellent cover story contains a heckuva lot of neat photos, of which this is one. Of course, I would gravitate towards the electric car pics. Anyway, does anyone know the identities of any of these cars? I would be EXTREMELY interested to know what exactly I'm looking at here. Thanks! Goop 
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| Author: | David Wilkins [ Wed Aug 01, 2001 1:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Neat photo!! ...what is all this stuff? |
Frank, I believe that you are looking at a bunch of old SP interburban-type communter electric cars. I don't have my copy of the book on them near me right now, but I think they were used in Oregon, possible near Portland. I do know that Pacific Electric bought some of them from SP and used them. The Orange Empire Railroad Museum has a couple that they operate. Also, I think these cars were nicknamed "Owls" because of the circular front windows. wilkidm@hera.wku.edu |
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| Author: | Frank Hicks [ Wed Aug 01, 2001 4:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Neat photo!! ...what is all this stuff? |
I realize that most of these cars are SP Electric / Pacific Electric commuter cars. In fact, the photo caption says so. What I would like to know is what their numbers are. It looks like there's a combine in the group, and the green car close to the camera appears to have the tracks for the sliding gates (that these cars used instead of doors) still intact. I may be wrong, but I thought that PE had removed this equipment when they got their cars, so this may be a car that was never sold to PE. In addition, I would love to know what some of the tarped cars - which are certainly not PE cars and are probably not even interurbans - are. Goop |
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| Author: | smokebox [ Wed Aug 01, 2001 7:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Neat photo!! ...what is all this stuff? |
At one time, mabey ten years ago, there were some of the old SP electric bodies still up here near Portland. I heard that they "went south". Mabey these are some of the cars. It sure would be nice to get one of these back to Portland. Dave Brown |
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| Author: | Brian Norden [ Wed Aug 01, 2001 9:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Neat photo!! ...what is all this stuff? |
The cars are at the Western Railway Museum that is operated by Bay Area Electric Railroad Association. The museum is located along the old Sacramento Northern at a stop called Rio Vista Junction where buses to the town of Rio Vista once connected. The car bodies are former Southern Pacific cars from the electrified East Bay commutte operation. After briefly operating over the Oakland Bay Bridge the service was abandoned. The cars were still around to be picked up by various agencies to carry shipyard workers and other military workers during WWII. Most of the car bodies you see in the photo were used in Utah (to and from Hill AFB). Western Railway Museum also has the body of a car that went to the Pacific Electric. The Pacific Electric bought many of the cars that the Maritine Commission brought down for use on the PE to and from a ship yard on Terminal Island. After the war the PE rehabed the cars with better seating and new paint jobs. Because of the larger capacity the PE kept these cars and retired their own cars in the early 1950s. DO NOT confuse these cars with the equipment used on the Portland area electrification. The Portland cars were shorter and had the traditional 2 and 2 seating. The Oakland cars had 3-2 seating and double wide vestibules for quicker loading and unloading. Some of the Portland cars did go to the PE in the later 1920s where they operated with the PE 1200 series interurbans. Brian Norden bnorden@gateway.net |
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| Author: | Roger Colton [ Thu Aug 02, 2001 11:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Bubba's Used Red Car Lot |
Also hiding under the yellow tarp's are several PG&E car bodies from Sacramento. Gotta love the Green with envy Red Car! You can imagine the surprise when all of a sudden these started appearing from Utah one by one... Many years worth of projects in this photo for any musuem or preservation group. rogerc38@aol.com |
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| Author: | Roger Colton [ Thu Aug 02, 2001 11:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Bubba's Used Red Car Lot |
Also hiding under the yellow tarp's are several PG&E car bodies from Sacramento. Gotta love the Green with envy Red Car! You can imagine the surprise when all of a sudden these started appearing from Utah one by one... Many years worth of projects in this photo for any museum or preservation group. rogerc38@aol.com |
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| Author: | Ted Miles [ Fri Aug 03, 2001 11:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bubba's Used Red Car Lot |
> Roger, The bodies you commented on were IER 600, 601 602 after retirement in 1941, they were used as trailers by the Bamberger Railroad to bring workers into the Ogden Arsenal during the War and for a little while longer. BAERA has collected some of the hardware needed to make them back into Interurbans. They were very simple cars. No headliner, very little window trim etc. The long range plan is to get a set of three Sacramento Northern green cars and then a set of three Interurban Electric Railway red cars. These cars were not ever on the Pacific Electric. A few years ago Ben Minnick pulled a car body out of a junk yard near Portland. I forget if it went to Orange Empire or Seashore. That is the only Portland Red Electric that I know about. Most of their cars went to the PE and got scrapped when they quit in 1961. Ted Miles ted_miles@NPS.gov |
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| Author: | Shay Stark [ Fri Aug 03, 2001 12:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bubba's Used Red Car Lot |
> The bodies you commented on were IER 600, > 601 602 Were you able to find the original numbers on the car bodies? The reason I ask is that I have spent several years tracking down the numbers of the six cars (2 combines and 4 coaches) that came to Utah and had so far only been able to verify two Southern Pacific numbers. I am also surprised to here that WRM got three cars I knew of the two cars sitting on the hill side in St George Utah along with a ATSF caboose but I was unaware of the other car. As far as I know the cars were put up for sale in late 1952 and were purchased by scrap dealers in Ogden who sold a few of the cars to farmers in the Ogden area and then the remaining cars to a farmer in the Tooele valley. I am not sure which cars ended up in St George or how they got there. I am guessing that the cars going to St George were the Tooele cars but I have not verified that yet. Along with these cars the military sold off several ex. Southern Pacific and Rock Island heavy weight passenger cars. Two of the Southern Pacific cars were wood bodied and sat in a field west of Ogden up until a few of years ago. Unfortunately no one seemed to know about these cars until word got out that they had been destroyed. >The long range > plan is to get a set of three Sacramento > Northern green cars and then a set of three > Interurban Electric Railway red cars. This will be exciting. It seems like a very appropriate goal for the museum. Good Luck to those at the WRM. Shay Stark shays@aquaeng.com |
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| Author: | John Smatlak [ Fri Aug 03, 2001 11:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bubba's Used Red Car Lot |
The body of SP Red Electric trailer 485 did indeed go to Orange Empire. Car 485 joins another Red Electric alumnus at Perris, PE Officer's Car 1299 which was converted from trailer 477 by the PE in 1929. The body of 485 is in fairly good shape, considering that it spent several decades sitting on the ground in Oregon. Although the bolsters are gone and the underframe and platforms have suffered a fair amount of rust damage, the side sheeting and the rest of the body appears to be in excellent shape. Even a few of the original stained glass upper sash remian intact to serve as patterns for creating a complete set. > The bodies you commented on were IER 600, > 601 602 after retirement in 1941, they were > used as trailers by the Bamberger Railroad > to bring workers into the Ogden Arsenal > during the War and for a little while > longer. > BAERA has collected some of the hardware > needed to make them back into Interurbans. > They were very simple cars. No headliner, > very little window trim etc. The long range > plan is to get a set of three Sacramento > Northern green cars and then a set of three > Interurban Electric Railway red cars. These > cars were not ever on the Pacific Electric. > A few years ago Ben Minnick pulled a car > body out of a junk yard near Portland. I > forget if it went to Orange Empire or > Seashore. That is the only Portland Red > Electric that I know about. Most of their > cars went to the PE and got scrapped when > they quit in 1961. Ted Miles Railway Preservation Resources jsmatlak@earthlink.net |
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| Author: | Brian Norden [ Sat Aug 04, 2001 1:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bubba's Used Red Car Lot |
> The body of SP Red Electric trailer 485 did > indeed go to Orange Empire. Car 485 joins > another Red Electric alumnus at Perris, PE > Officer's Car 1299 which was converted from > trailer 477 by the PE in 1929. John, You forgot about the other former SP Red Electric car that is at Perris. Just a few feet away from car 485 is the PE 1406 that began as PE&E 453 and later was O&C 772. It too went to the PE in 1928-29. The three steel RPO-express cars that the SP Oregon electric operation had were built by Brill in 1913. These were the only Brill cars on the Oregon electrification. And they are said to be the only purpose built steel RPO cars for an interurban operation. PE 1406 was retired as an RPO car in 1952, In 1953 it was stripped and converted into an un-powered tool car for the wrecker and numbered 006. It was sold for scrap om 1959. It became an office at the scrap yard and Orange Empire acquired the trucks. Later the body became available and it was acquired and reunited with the trucks. Brian Norden bnorden@gateway.net |
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