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 Post subject: Possible preservation flood victims in the Northeast
PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 10:52 pm 

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Location: Somewhere east of Prescott, AZ along the old Santa Fe "Prescott & Eastern"
I just saw an online photo at the Harrisburg (Pa.) Patriot-News website that, based on my knowledge of the area, leads me to believe that Williams Grove Park, home of PRR 0-6-0 643, is currently badly flooded by the nearby Yellow Breeches Creek.

I am also reading of flood damage to New Hope, Pa. The NH&I Railroad is up higher than the properties mentioned in the articles I've read, but still.....

If the Magee Transportation Museum near Bloomsburg had survived Tropical Storm Agnes in 1972, it would be in the middle of being flooded out again. Just seconds ago learned of the flood loss of one of the two Twin Covered Bridges upstream from the old location, and I expect to receive more covered bridge flood loss reports as the week progresses.

Baltimore Streetcar Museum: So far, so good, but backhoes and bulldozers are on site just in case..........

The National Capital Trolley Museum, already faced with eventual relocation due to a highway project, is luckily not in the same valley as an adjacent one under jeopardy from an overfilled reservoir behind an earthen dam (Lake Needwood).

I'm even watching the North Shore RR in Northumberland, Pa. which has a set of historic and business passenger cars (mostly ex-West Shore RR Excursions) normally stored in the riverside Northumberland Yard (ex-PRR).

How's everyone else doing out there? Steamtown? Strasburg? White Deer? WK&S? Jim Thorpe?


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 Post subject: Minersville, PA/CNJ 113
PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:47 pm 

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Location: Somewhere east of Prescott, AZ along the old Santa Fe "Prescott & Eastern"
Photo at WNEP-TV's website slide show shows CNJ 113 with its toes wet in a couple inches of flood water; also photos of damage to various locations near Scranton and along the Reading & Northern, too close to the R&N's roundhouse and the RCT&HS base in Leesport for my comfort...........


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 Post subject: Northeastern Floods
PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 12:53 am 

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Location: Maine - Montana
Although not directly preservation related, The former Erie Delaware Division (The Southern Tier) has had multiple washouts and is currently out of service, same with the D&H north of Binghamton. Both lines feature some classic signal infrastructure of the lines predecessors, if this has been affected it is unknown at this time. (There is your history connection).

Binghamton, New York, a city home to many old industrial structures, has reportedly been hit hard by this storm.

Our neighbors at railroad.net have a Flood Update Thread on the New York State Forum and it can be found here. http://railroad.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=26537

Finally, while the focus of this site is railroading and its history, we should all keep those who live in the affected area in our thoughts and prayers.

-Justin Franz


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 Post subject: Re: Northeastern Floods
PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 1:03 am 

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According to Railroad.net's Flood Update Thread (Link Above), the NYSWTHS is currently moving the #142, located at Phillipsburgh, NJ, to high ground because of rising waters on the Delaware.

-Justin


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 Post subject: Re: Possible preservation flood victims in the Northeast
PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 7:52 am 

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Just wondering how the Willmington and Western is holding up.

I wish everyone affected to know you are in our thoughts and prayers.

James Johnson, Morehead and North Fork Railroad Historian


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 Post subject: Re: Possible preservation flood victims in the Northeast
PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 7:58 am 

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Of lines regularly used by heritage railroads, I have seen pictures and heard reports that indicate the Bel-Del steam op in Phillipsburg, NJ is flooded again. Have also heard reports of flooding on the LGSR out of Jim Thorpe.

On lines used for heritage runs on special dates, the R+N is supposedly having issues along the main, as the area around Landingville is having record flooding. Have not heard a report on the D-L but recent history does not bode well.

This now annual ritual appears to be worse this time as it ain't just the Delaware rising.

Rob


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 Post subject: Re: Possible preservation flood victims in the Northeast
PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 8:35 am 

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jd johnson wrote:
Just wondering how the Willmington and Western is holding up.


Looks like they may have escaped this one. The "Wooddale" mentioned below is about halfway on W&W's pre-2003 "normal" run to Mount Cuba.


http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs ... S/60629008

Northern Delaware waterways that flooded, snarling traffic Wednesday, are all currently below flood stage level, said the National Weather Service in Mt. Holly, New Jersey.

Latest measurements show the Red Clay Creek at Wooddale well below flood stage, said Lee Robertson a meteorologist with the National Weather Service.

The Red Clay Creek swelled Wednesday to more than three feet higher than its listed flood stage of seven feet, Robertson said.

The Red Clay peaked yesterday morning at 10.88 feet, Robertson said.

The Brandywine Creek in Wilmington is also below flood stage, Robertson said.

Yesterday evening the Brandywine was more than a foot above its flood stage of 11 feet. The highest reading Wednesday for the Brandywine was 12.38 feet, Robertson said.

The Schuylkill River in the Philadelphia area is running slightly above stage this morning but is expected to drop below peak stage later today.


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 Post subject: Re: Possible preservation flood victims in the Northeast
PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 9:58 am 

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Regarding the Wilmington & Western....

Unless something has changed, the Red Clay Creek is at Flood stage when it reaches 5.5 feet..not 7....and that is AT the recording station itself which is just past the Rt 48's crossing of the Creek...(which would be on the engineer side of the train crossing the creek going West into the cut.) The average depth of the creek there is about 3 feet....naturally, the depth varies from location to location along the RR.

10.88 feet is a fairly high mark...thats over 2.3 million gallons of water flowing per minute...it certainly isn't as high as when Floyed or worse yet, Henri hit, but Im sure it had some effect on the areas being reconstructed...

Remember, Contractors are currently working on the damaged bridges...lets hope they were able to get all equipment out of the creek bed before the flooding began..and hope that flooding didn't damamge new construction in regard to the new footings and piers being built.

Best person to update us would be Tom Gears....ya out there Tom?


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 Post subject: Re: Possible preservation flood victims in the Northeast
PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 10:29 am 

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Parts of the Middletown and Hummelstown's line are under water, inundated by the Swatara Creek, which runds along a large portion of the line. The Swatty is expected to crest at record levels in spots.


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 Post subject: Red Clay Creek Photos
PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:15 am 

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I went down the Red Clay in my kayak yesterday after the water peaked. I put in at Wooddale and went down to Greenbank. I don't have a lot of photos as I need both hands on the paddles but I managed to get a few shots. For the most part the W&W is fine. If you check out my photos you will see the new Hercules Trestle with one heck of a pile of junk against it. It looks like the flood disrupted the construction site. The Wooddale trestles are not yet to the point where steel is in place.

http://tommysphotos.fotopic.net/c1006716.html

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 Post subject: Re: Possible preservation flood victims in the Northeast
PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 12:26 pm 

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National Capital Trolley Museum opened for business as usual this morning with no damage reports on the current railway. There is evidence that the water from Northwest Branch washed over the railway in one location. The backstop on the adjacent ballfield has leaf residue at least 4 feet high in the fence. There is minor damage to our re-re-graded new right of way extension.

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 Post subject: Re: Possible preservation flood victims in the Northeast
PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 1:02 pm 

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Update Thurs 6/29: NYSW T&HS #142 and it's equipment has been moved from the quarry in Pohatcong, although now they feel the move may have been unnecessary. The area around Carpentersville Rd is flooded.

North Shore RR. Saw blurb yesterday that area between Catawissa and Rupert was flooded.

Delaware-Lackawanna RR: Water Gap flooded. Rt 611 closed. Businesses in Portland Pa, destroyed for third time in 18 months.

Praying that everyone involved gets through this which has effected much of the northeast.


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 Post subject: Northeastern Floods Update - 6/29
PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 1:19 pm 

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Some more Internet wondering has granted this information --

According to the Delaware-Lackawanna Yahoo List, the D-L, route of Steamtown excursions is out repairing wash-outs along the line today. According to the same list, water is above the railhead at the Delaware Water Gap.

The following story was posted on MSNBC.com http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13608342/

As stated before, the region features many historic industrial structures - both rail related and non - and it's likely that these could affected.

-Justin Franz


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 Post subject: Re: Possible preservation flood victims in the Northeast
PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 5:28 pm 

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Middletown and Hummelstown is completly underwater from Mp. 1.0 to 5.25.. Wont know the extent of damage till water subsides..\


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 Post subject: Re: Possible preservation flood victims in the Northeast
PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 5:44 pm 

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The Cooperstown & Charlotte Valley has been hit and has closed, will be posting images when I get them.

www.lrhs.com

Joshua


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