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| Author: | bobyar2001 [ Sat Nov 04, 2006 3:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | H&BTM 38 |
Dated September 1959 and sold to Rail City in NY State in 1954. Is that where this photo was taken? It doesn't look like the scene I remember there. Engine still exists, but I think the tender was scrapped while on the Livonia, Avon & Lakeville. Present tender was from a Pennsy H10 2-8-0, last I knew. http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/steamtown/hbt-s38abr.jpg And here at Rail City in September 1966, same place?: http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/steamtown/hbt-s38ald.jpg This one says 1955: http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/steamtown/hbtm-s38ald.jpg |
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| Author: | Alan Maples [ Sun Nov 05, 2006 10:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: H&BTM 38 |
bobyar2001 wrote: . . . Engine still exists, but I think the tender was scrapped while on the Livonia, Avon & Lakeville. Present tender was from a Pennsy H10 2-8-0, last I knew.
Yes, the engine still exists, but it now has its third tender. The Pennsy one was a bit big for the engine and never looked quite right. When it got in bad shape a few years ago Sloan Cornell had a new tank made (on a different frame), dimensioned much closer to the original; he even lettered it H&BT. To my knowledge, the engine has never seen service with the new tender as the Knox & Kane ended steam operations when Kinzua viaduct was closed to rail traffic in 2002. Alan Maples |
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| Author: | Alexander D. Mitchell IV [ Sun Nov 05, 2006 2:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: H&BTM 38 |
I've had it suggested several times by several folks--at least one of whom loiters here now and then--that H&BTM 38 should be a top priority for acquisition by the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania. In many respects, I'm forced to agree--it's a short line loco built in Pa. for a Pa. shortline, and has drifted about but spent most of its time in Pennsylvania. The only real problem with this proposal is that the Museum would almost have to deaccession another 2-8-0 of PRR heritage (2846? 7688?) to make room for 38, but the way the Penna. Historic & Museum Commission runs its show that's all but impossible. (I understand the rather Draconian restrictions were written some time ago in response to alleged long-ago "profiteering" by other museum curators who deaccessioned items with an eye towards personal profit.) We can dream, can't we? |
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| Author: | Kelly Anderson [ Sun Nov 05, 2006 4:00 pm ] |
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| Author: | Richard Glueck [ Sun Nov 05, 2006 4:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: H&BTM 38 |
Looks like the type of locomotive that would nicely fit Strasburg's roster in place of a legitimate H6sb. Okay, Strasburg has enough locomotives, but the thought is within keeping for the little road. BTW, what became of the PRR tender? It is still serviceable and available? |
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| Author: | Alan Maples [ Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: H&BTM 38 |
Richard Glueck wrote: BTW, what became of the PRR tender? It is still serviceable and available?
I believe it was in bad shape and was scrapped. Alan Maples |
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| Author: | junior [ Mon Nov 06, 2006 3:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: H&BTM 38 |
Couldn't agree more with Kelly's question. That engine SHOULD be in serivce somewhere.....but where is the question? Every place I can think of in the Tri-State area already has their hands full when it comes to maintaining or repairing their existing steam. I don't believe the engine has run since the late 1980's at best. |
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| Author: | Alexander D. Mitchell IV [ Mon Nov 06, 2006 3:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: H&BTM 38 |
Strictly for debating purposes, I would have to concur Anderson's implied point. However, I should also discretely ask: Given the ownership of the locomotive by a railroad company that has left ample evidence of its running it steam hard with less-than-sufficient maintenance, can we actually assume that this locomotive is in worthy condition for reactivation? I think of all the steam experiences I have had over the decades, the "Fiddletown & Copperopolis"-style running of 50-mile excursions that turned into unplanned mixed trains behind 38, 76, and 3254 will go down as the closest I will ever experience to true old-fashioned railroad short line operation, good AND bad. Remember, in my hypothetical (okay, pipe dream) fantasy, the 38 would be traded for PRR 2846, a H6sb, which, okay, I see is about 20 tons heavier......... I agree, I would love to see 38 back in action. But I don't see an operation in the region that can use the lighter 2-8-0 efficiently, and I don't want to see that loco go off to, say, Canada or Arizona just to find someplace else for it to get "consumed". |
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| Author: | John Bohon [ Mon Nov 06, 2006 9:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: H&BTM 38 |
I have to agree with Kelly that the 38 should be running. However, if it were to go to a museum Wayne Laepple has made a solid argument to me for sending the 38 to Altoona. Since the 38 operated much closer to Altoona than Strasburg I tend to agree with him. It could even be argued 38 would be a better locomotive for Altoona to operate than the K-4. I hope 38 continues to operate somewhere. I was very impressed with her preformance on the Gettysburg. Generally speaking I think 38 is likely to be in restorable condition. John Bohon |
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| Author: | bobyar2001 [ Tue Nov 07, 2006 9:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | H&BTM shop building? |
I've heard that there may still be one of the shop buildings standing in one of the towns it ran through (can't remember the name - Saxton maybe?). Does anyone know about this or have photos? A bit more on the H&BTM and its remains (including the last operations as the Everett RR) here: http://members.tripod.com/~wayneshobbie ... adtop2.htm |
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| Author: | Alan Maples [ Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: H&BTM shop building? |
bobyar2001 wrote: I've heard that there may still be one of the shop buildings standing in one of the towns it ran through (can't remember the name - Saxton maybe?). Does anyone know about this or have photos?
The H&BTM backshop buildings at Saxton were torn down circa 1998. I believe a small paint shop building remains, having long ago been converted into a convenience store. Keith Burkey, who occasionally posts here, is the resident H&BTM expert and maintains a nice web site, as well as a yahoo news group, on railroads in the region: http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/bbandbrr/ http://www.bbandbrr.com/ Alan Maples |
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