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| Author: | bobyar2001 [ Sun Dec 03, 2006 5:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | CB&Q 4000 |
In its rather ungainly streamlined dress, as a backup locomotive for the Zephyrs, at Galesburg, Illinois, undated, but probably early 1940s. Long ago destreamlined, it was the subject of a complete cosmetic restoration at LaCrosse, Wisconsin not too long ago. http://www.castlegraphics.com/photo/alb ... urg_il.jpg |
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| Author: | Mgoldman [ Sun Dec 03, 2006 6:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CB&Q 4000 |
Big 'ol Alice the Goon... I liked the streamlined version, personally! |
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| Author: | Les Beckman [ Mon Dec 04, 2006 1:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CB&Q 4000 |
Well....personally I like ALICE unstreamlined, but if she was back in steam, I'd go for her either way! Les |
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| Author: | hi-plains [ Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | CB&Q 4000 |
Didn't two locomotives make it into streamlined dress? |
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| Author: | Richard Glueck [ Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CB&Q 4000 |
BNSF is one of the few big railroads which doesn't run away from steam operation. If a CB&Q Hudson was to get refurbished, assuming a group had the capital to do it, I wonder if they'd operate it as a heritage locomotive? |
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| Author: | steaminfo [ Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CB&Q 4000 |
Richard Glueck wrote: BNSF is one of the few big railroads which doesn't run away from steam operation. If a CB&Q Hudson was to get refurbished, assuming a group had the capital to do it, I wonder if they'd operate it as a heritage locomotive?
I think it would depend almost entirely on who restored the Hudson, and who operated it. There are locomotives that aren't welcome on the BNSF and ones that are. |
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| Author: | Les Beckman [ Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CB&Q 4000 |
hi-plains wrote: Didn't two locomotives make it into streamlined dress?
If you're asking if any streamlined steam locomotives are preserved, well...yes! Herewith: 1. N&W 4-8-4 #611 2. C&O 4-6-4 #490 3. CP 4-6-4's #2860 and at least one other 4. CP 4-4-4's #2928 and #2929 5. CN 4-8-4 #6400 6. SP 4-8-4's #4449 and #4460 Can't think of any others offhand. If on the other hand, you're asking if there was another CB&Q streamlined 4-6-4 besides #4000, the answer to that is also yes; #4001. Les |
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| Author: | Dave [ Tue Dec 05, 2006 8:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CB&Q 4000 |
And don't forget 3801 - picture a meter gage 611 down under - whose future is currently a bit cloudy. dave |
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| Author: | hi-plains [ Tue Dec 05, 2006 5:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | CB&Q 4000 |
[quote="Les Beckman"]If on the other hand, you're asking if there was another CB&Q streamlined 4-6-4 besides #4000, the answer to that is also yes; #4001. [/quote] That's what I mean't the "other" Alice. It seems that, aside from the number, you could tell which was which in that one had the straight angular streamstyling over the drivers, whereas the other had curved. |
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| Author: | Les Beckman [ Tue Dec 05, 2006 8:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CB&Q 4000 and sister |
Hi-Plains: The 4001 was quite a different animal than the other Burlington S-4's. She was built in the Q's West Burlington Shops using components supplied by Baldwin, whereas the other 4000's were rebuilds of some of the CB&Q's 3000 numbered Hudsons. She had a Worthington type S feedwater heater and a vestibule cab (like some of the O5 Northerns.) These two features were unique to an S-4 and became more visible after #4001 lost her shrouding. Another thing unique to 4001 is that she was the very last Hudson to be overhauled, travelling to Denver in early 1954. She was later shipped to Lincoln waiting for a call to return to action. It didn't come and she never turned a wheel in service after that Denver Shops overhaul! Les |
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| Author: | bobyar2001 [ Thu Dec 07, 2006 1:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | 4001, 4003 at Lincoln |
Stored, awaiting sale for scrap, June 8, 1959, at Lincoln, Nebraska. Note the odd mix of wheels on 4001, which some other CB&Q Hudsons had also. http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?00003815+OP-3815 http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?00003817+OP-3817 |
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| Author: | Les Beckman [ Thu Dec 07, 2006 10:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 4001, 4003 at Lincoln |
If I recall correctly, the 4001 got the rear (spoked) drivers from the 4004. Maybe someone can confirm that. Les |
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| Author: | davew833 [ Thu Dec 07, 2006 2:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 4001, 4003 at Lincoln |
TRAINS magazine had a good article about #4000 and #4001 in about 1983, I think. I still have it somewhere... |
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| Author: | Don C. [ Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 4001, 4003 at Lincoln |
Les, Your memory is good. The rear spoked set was traded from the 4004 sometime between November 3, 1945 and April 8, 1946. Hol Wagner did a magnificent job of compiling the history of these great locomotives in the Burlington Route Historical Society Bulletin Number 33. I was lucky enough to secure a bound copy for my library. There may be a few of these left in the stock of the BRHS if anyone is interested. They can be contacted at: BRHS P.O. Box 456 LaGrange, IL 60525 Don C. |
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| Author: | softwerkslex [ Fri Dec 08, 2006 1:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CB&Q 4000 |
Try the LNER A4 class, preserved members: Mallard Bittern Sir Nigel Gresley Union of South Africa Dwight D. Eisenhower (Green Bay) Dominion of Canada (Canada) |
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