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| Author: | Pat Fahey [ Thu Dec 28, 2006 11:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Southern # 4501 tender 2 part question |
When the Southern Railway put a larger tender on 4501 that came from a Central of Georgia engine,,in 1967,,, First the then new Central of Georgia tender,,,what engine did the tender come from???? Second part,,what happen too 4501 orginal tender....thank you,,Pat |
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| Author: | gmray [ Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Southern # 4501 tender 2 part question |
Pat - The present tender that is behind 4501 did indeed come from a CofG Mikado but it's road number is unknown to me and everyone else I have asked. This change was made when the locomotive was in the service of the Southern (not NS) Steam Program. In 1984, the NS Steam Program had a replacement all welded tank made and the original was scrapped. So there is no chance of "blasting away" paint to perhaps reveal an original road number. We also know that the CofG evidently lengthed this tender when it was still in original service. The frame has clear evidence of material added to increase its length. The "original" tender sits on TVRM's McCarty siding. This tender will soon find its way to our Soule Shops where the tank will be replaced by a 10,000 gallon all welded "Coster Shop" style tank. The refurbished tender will be placed behind our Ks-1 Class consolidation 630. This was a standard practice on the Southern during the steam days. Maybe someone else will respond with the answer to your first question. |
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| Author: | johnacraft [ Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Southern # 4501 tender 2 part question |
The information that I have is that it was from a CofG 4-8-2, not a 2-8-2, but I can't find the source right now. And as Mark implies, tenders got swapped around from time to time. The tender behind 4501 was stencilled for 15 tons. CofG had 32 4-8-2s, using two types of tenders - most carried a 15 ton / 9,000 Gal. tank, but 9 locos got an 18 ton / 10,500 gal. tank. If it was a 2-8-2, CofG had 67 examples, all with 15 tons of coal capacity, but with water capacity of 7,000 gal., 8,500 gal., 9,000 gal., and 12,500 gal. If it's a 9,000 gal. tender, it could be from either, and may have been used behind both. http://cofg.org/index.php?option=com_co ... &Itemid=43 JAC |
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| Author: | Newriver400 [ Fri Mar 16, 2007 10:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Southern # 4501 tender 2 part question |
Hey all, I ran across info that indicates a 2-10-2 was the source of the tender. The original length would have been about the size of a USRA standard tank as I recall. Michael Brown (TVRM) |
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| Author: | Les Beckman [ Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Southern # 4501 tender 2 part question |
Newriver400 wrote: Hey all,
I ran across info that indicates a 2-10-2 was the source of the tender. The original length would have been about the size of a USRA standard tank as I recall. Michael Brown (TVRM) Michael - Any indication of which CofG 2-10-2 the tender is from? Les |
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| Author: | TimReynolds [ Tue Oct 28, 2014 10:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Southern # 4501 tender 2 part question |
With her her back in steam and heavily upgraded, I have to ask...Is this the second time this particular tender has sported a stoker auger? Did the C of G locos that this tender could have come from have stokers? The C of G had some pretty good sized locos a Mountain or large Mike would likely have had a stoker on it I'm guessing |
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| Author: | Frisco1522 [ Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Southern # 4501 tender 2 part question |
4-8-2s with 15 Ton, 9000 Gallon tank? That's sure small. |
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| Author: | wilkinsd [ Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Southern # 4501 tender 2 part question |
Frisco1522 wrote: 4-8-2s with 15 Ton, 9000 Gallon tank? That's sure small. Not really, that's the "standard" capacity on a USRA type tender used behind many light and heavy 2-8-2s, light 4-6-2s, and the light 4-8-2s. For example, the tender currently behind L&N 152 is from L&N 409, which was a based on a USRA light 4-8-2 design and it has the same capacities. |
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| Author: | Alan Walker [ Wed Oct 29, 2014 1:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Southern # 4501 tender 2 part question |
I don't recall that the CoG had stokers on their locomotives. Southern also had some very large locomotives that remained hand fired (IIRC, one was a 2-8-8-0). The 4501 was not stoker equipped mainly because she was sold right after the war. |
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| Author: | TimReynolds [ Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Southern # 4501 tender 2 part question |
The C of G Big Apples had to have been stoker equiped. IIRC The C of G had short turn tables on its system and as such tenders were smaller relative to the loco size. Big Apple http://www.railarchive.net/randomsteam/ ... cog455.jpg Mountain http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/0/4/6/7/ ... 446_tp.jpg 2-10-2 http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/236x/ ... 96ab0f.jpg By the looks of the last pic (though small) looks like the tender did come from a 2-10-2. I'd hate to have hand fired that brute... Mystery very close to solved check this ad out: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1926-Locomotive ... 35de725f32 |
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| Author: | Alan Walker [ Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Southern # 4501 tender 2 part question |
They did have some short turntables-the Cedartown turntable is only 80 feet long and the 4501 just barely fits on it. |
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| Author: | TimReynolds [ Wed Oct 29, 2014 11:26 pm ] | ||
| Post subject: | Re: Southern # 4501 tender 2 part question | ||
Pic of C of GA 704
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| Author: | southern154 [ Sat Nov 01, 2014 3:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Southern # 4501 tender 2 part question |
Not to hijack this thread, but is the whistle 4501 wearing today (SRR 3 Chime) her original whistle, if not what is? |
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| Author: | TimReynolds [ Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Southern # 4501 tender 2 part question |
Quote: Southern Railway 3-chime step top with a top lever vertical valve. Cast at Lenoir City, TN and finish machined at the Southern shops in Princeton, IN. _________________ Andrew Durden Operations Manager Southeastern Railway Museum As a boy, I can remember being mesmerized by tracks 11 and 12 from "Greenboard South" featuring 4501 alone. p.s. the last track with ex Mississippian #77 is quite good too... |
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| Author: | TimReynolds [ Sun Nov 16, 2014 12:11 pm ] | ||
| Post subject: | Re: Southern # 4501 tender 2 part question | ||
Here is a drawing and details for the Central's J-1 2-10-2's 701 to 709. I located it in Richard Prince's book "The Central of Georgia". The J-1s were built by Baldwin in 1926. All equiped with Duplex Stokers (HT's later applied to 702, 703, and 706) Tender capasities were 16 tons and 12,000 gallons. They served the hilly line from Columbus to Birmigham, and were all retired by 1953. I would assume that the one that found its way on to 4501 either got traded to a another loco for a short period or went directly into MOW service - quite possibly on a MOW unit based in Birmingham. I'm curious if Bill Purdee found it in Norris Yard and thus the tender began its new career. Now which loco did it come from, well you have an eleven percent chance of guessing the correct one.
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