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| Author: | Project-6069 [ Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Bullet nose Betty 6069 inspection |
Initial communicatiions with the city appear promising with firther asbestos work to be done and a walk around inspection and note of work required to be done soon. If anyone can advise on anything else that should be looked at on a static display engine please post here. Complete removal of the asbestos is not possible at this time. |
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| Author: | Robin Warren [ Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bullet nose Betty 6069 inspection |
Take off anything that can be taken off. Classification lanterns, bell, builders plate, knobs, switches, headlight and etc. |
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| Author: | Alexander D. Mitchell IV [ Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bullet nose Betty 6069 inspection |
And, sad to have to say this, if you do remove "valuable" parts as suggested by Robin, meticulously document who has them, and where. Form a Property Committee, and draw up documents. Locomotive artifacts, gift shop inventory, station signs, etc. all have absconded from other groups in the past even from "safe" storage, by either well-meaning folks just intending to polish up a plate or make a replica, or bad blood forming between members. Don't believe me? One of the very real builder's plates from LNER 4472, arguably one of the most famous locos in the world, went up for auction in the UK recently. And apparently the seller actually had clear title. However, if the loco is going to sit a while before restoration, consider making and mounting replicas. Little things mean a lot. A loco sitting long-term with missing hardware looks more like a candidate for scrapping than one for scraping and painting. |
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| Author: | Project-6069 [ Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bullet nose Betty 6069 inspection |
Thanks for the input. The city won't go for that but it is something to consider and bring up. One fellow told me that even removable items like plates badges bell should be welded on but not too sure I like that Idea. |
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| Author: | Clem [ Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bullet nose Betty 6069 inspection |
Another idea might be to spill oil on shoes, wedges and other assorted moving parts. This way, should the plans to restore her to operational status materialize, your life will be easier. Choose your oil carefully. Modern stuff is, but isn't the same due to all of the detergents and other additives. |
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| Author: | Doug Debs 2472 [ Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: LPS-3 |
LPS-3 is a good rust preventative for semi-protected bearings etc. where you want to protect the polished steel surface. It dries non-tacky, and is easily cleaned off later with any mild solvent such as diesel fuel or kerosene. It smells like beeswax-based floor wax. McMaster-Carr sells it in 1-gallon jugs; this is much cheaper than buying it in spray cans. You could prevent a lot of future corrosion damage by slopping LPS-3 onto bearings, shoes, wedges, piston rods, valve rods, air compressor piston rods, feedwater heaters, etc. Try to get it to wick into bearing spaces etc. that you can't access well without major disassembly. Also, anything you can do to prevent water intrusion - homemade sheet metal covers over bearings, redirecting lawn sprinklers, installing homemade sheet metal drip shields so water from the boiler drips outwards instead of onto the bearings - is a great help. Of course a roof is a tremendous help towards long-term preservation. There are more bombproof rust preventatives - variations on Cosmolene -used by RR wheel and axle shops. Typically these dry thicker & harder than LPS-3. However they require more aggressive solvents to remove, and may not serve well as a temporary lubricants - Doug Debs |
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| Author: | Project-6069 [ Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: LPS-3 |
Thanks for the advice Doug. I am new to Steam trains but a couple of members have a bit of knowledge. Sadly the piston rods were painted over in years gone by, might be a good thing for there long terrm protection though. I have worked with LPS-3 in the past and it is a very good rust preventative. I will check to see if it is available locally. |
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| Author: | Richard Glueck [ Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: LPS-3 |
Fixing the removable parts or removing them to the city vaults or museum is really the only real way to protect them. Suggest the city have resin or aluminum copies cast for builders plates or the like. Look, they may not like it, but it is only by the strangest series of cosmic events that they have not yet been stolen. They will go missing, as sure as you are reading this now. another problem awaiting the locomotive is the accumulation of water in marker lights, kerosene pots, or any place water and ice can get. The paint and oil/grease will help, particularly if it's maintained, but this is a never ending battle, and without enclosed or cover, it's a battle stacked against the forces of longevity. Please report back to us regularly concerning this project. |
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| Author: | Project-6069 [ Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | helpful input |
Thanks very much for your continued input! I will keep regular updates going once work starts. We are supposed to be getting the walk around inspection done sometime real soon and I will point out the concerns over the dataplates and see if we can't get copies made of them. The problem is where to keep the originals. |
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| Author: | Clem [ Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: helpful input |
We used Kroil in the compressors. We pulled the reversing valve off the top to feed a bit in. We also cleaned out the drip lubricators on the compressors and let them dribble it in as well. In our case, a little went a long way. |
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| Author: | Project-6069 [ Sat Jan 19, 2008 10:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: helpful input |
Clem. I am not sure where the compressor is but thanks for the information. Will double check with the engineer whos been in touch. |
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| Author: | Robin Warren [ Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: helpful input |
Is there a courthouse, city hall or business that supports your work? Display all the "Pretties" for the public to drool over. Kills two birds with one stone. You get safe storage and public exposure. Ditto for the folks providing the "Storage". |
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| Author: | Project-6069 [ Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: helpful input |
Yes there is a secure place either at city hall etc. Right now the originals are mounted on the locomotive but this will be brought up with the city when we do the walk around. So far the only thing to go missing is the little hammer(clanger) from inside the bell and the cable that made the bell ring. |
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| Author: | Clem [ Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: helpful input |
Do you have any pictures of the 6069? Is there a website for her? |
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| Author: | k5ahudson [ Sun Jan 20, 2008 2:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: helpful input |
Project-6069 wrote: Clem.
I am not sure where the compressor is but thanks for the information. Engineer's side, hanging next to the third driver. |
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