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| Author: | wesp [ Sat Feb 02, 2008 9:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Frank Hicks - Did You Find the Missing Streetcars? |
Frank, Any responses to your list of missing streetcars on the database? Wesley ----------- The cars in the table below have been identified as having existed in a state of historical preservation at some point in the past, but cannot be identified in any existing collection. Some of these cars have probably been scrapped or otherwise lost, some are probably still in existence, and some may simply be erroneous listings from some roster published in the past. Cars are listed sorted by location, i.e. the last state or country in which they were known to be located. Information on these cars, regardless of their disposition, is actively being sought. Any and all leads are appreciated; please contact Frank Hicks at fullparallel@wideopenwest.com with any information. Railway/Num Car Type Owner Location Last seen Alberta Calgary Municipal Railway 70 streetcar City Park Calgary c2003 Canadian National 6741 rapid transit car Alberta Railway Museum Edmonton c1995 Lethbridge Municipal Railway 8 streetcar Galt Museum Lethbridge c2003 California Los Angeles Railways 9352 line car private owner ? c1977 San Francisco & Napa Valley 52 interurban Railroad Park Dunsmuir c1975 Georgia Georgia Railway & Power 704 flat motor Southeastern Railway Museum Duluth c1996 Georgia Railway & Power 995 streetcar Southeastern Railway Museum Duluth c1996 Indiana Chicago Transit Authority S347 work motor Indiana Transportation Museum Noblesville c1980 Chicago Transit Authority S348 work motor Indiana Transportation Museum Noblesville c1980 Kansas Arkansas Valley Interurban 7 streetcar Wichita Historical Museum Wichita c1978 Maine Massachusetts Bay Transit Authority 3284 work motor Seashore Trolley Museum Kennebunkport c1983 Michigan Chicago Transit Authority 4325 rapid transit car Escanaba & Lake Superior Wells c1996 Reading Transit & Light 510 streetcar Detroit Citizens Railway Detroit c1973 Minnesota Hanna Mining 306 locomotive Hill Annex Mine State Park Calument c2004 Twin City Rapid Transit 1496 streetcar Minnesota Transportation Museum Minneapolis c1983 Missouri St. Louis Public Service 1031 streetcar Museum of Transport Kirkwood c1981 Ohio Cincinnati & Lake Erie 637 box motor Buckeye Lake Trolley Homerville c1982 Lake Shore Electric 39 box motor Buckeye Lake Trolley Homerville c1992 Oklahoma Pittsburg County Electric 52 box motor Trolley's Restaurant McAlester c2003 Ontario Toronto Transportation Commission 4138 streetcar Duke of York School Toronto c1978 Oregon Key System 169 rapid transit car Oregon Electric Ry Hist Soc Brooks c1962 Oregon Electric 105 interurban Eugene Stoller Woodburn c1980 Utah Utah-Idaho Central 506 interurban Utah Railroad Museum Ogden c1979 Utah-Idaho Central 513 interurban Utah Railroad Museum Ogden c1979 Wisconsin Chicago Surface Lines 1278 streetcar Tractor Museum Marion c1980 |
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| Author: | Frank Hicks [ Sun Feb 03, 2008 12:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Frank Hicks - Did You Find the Missing Streetcars? |
wesp wrote: Frank,
Any responses to your list of missing streetcars on the database? Wesley Thanks for asking! I've gotten a few responses, which have been extremely helpful - and interesting. Here's what I've gotten so far (I'm on the road so this is from memory): Los Angeles Railways 9352 line car - I've traded a few e-mails with another RyPN-er to correct and complete information on this car as well as the LARy single-truckers owned by Travel Town... stay tuned on this one... Twin City Rapid Transit 1496 - scrapped c2006 Key System 169 rapid transit car - got a report that this car was sighted at OERHS in Glenwood, OR as late as 1964 Most of the equipment on the "mystery list" hasn't had any information submitted yet. Thanks again to all who have e-mailed information on the "missing cars" and on other equipment in the PNAERC database! |
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| Author: | Frank Hicks [ Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Frank Hicks - Did You Find the Missing Streetcars? |
I've received more information over the weekend: Cincinnati & Lake Erie 637 and Lake Shore Electric 39 box motors - still in existence on private property (Buckeye Lake Trolley) Key System 169 rapid transit car - scrapped 1977 |
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| Author: | Frank Hicks [ Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Frank Hicks - Did You Find the Missing Streetcars? |
A few more "mystery" cars from the Preserved North American Electric Railway Cars have been accounted for. The first is Lethbridge Municipal Railway 8, a single-truck car preserved in Alberta. This car is actually still around! The body was restored c1980 and put on display at the Galt Gardens Museum until it was removed in 2004 and put in dead storage. The car was outside that whole time and had deteriorated significantly but there is a group now working to re-restore it. The second new "solved mystery" is TTC 4138, which was removed from the Duke of York School in Toronto for scrapping on May 29, 1974. Remaining cars that reached preservation status but then disappeared are listed below; any info would be appreciated! wesp wrote: Railway/Num Car Type Owner Location Last seen
Alberta Calgary Municipal Railway 70 streetcar City Park Calgary c2003 Canadian National 6741 rapid transit car Alberta Railway Museum Edmonton c1995 Los Angeles Railways 9352 line car private owner ? c1977 San Francisco & Napa Valley 52 interurban Railroad Park Dunsmuir c1975 Georgia Georgia Railway & Power 704 flat motor Southeastern Railway Museum Duluth c1996 Georgia Railway & Power 995 streetcar Southeastern Railway Museum Duluth c1996 Indiana Chicago Transit Authority S347 work motor Indiana Transportation Museum Noblesville c1980 Chicago Transit Authority S348 work motor Indiana Transportation Museum Noblesville c1980 Kansas Arkansas Valley Interurban 7 streetcar Wichita Historical Museum Wichita c1978 Maine Massachusetts Bay Transit Authority 3284 work motor Seashore Trolley Museum Kennebunkport c1983 Michigan Chicago Transit Authority 4325 rapid transit car Escanaba & Lake Superior Wells c1996 Reading Transit & Light 510 streetcar Detroit Citizens Railway Detroit c1973 Minnesota Hanna Mining 306 locomotive Hill Annex Mine State Park Calument c2004 Missouri St. Louis Public Service 1031 streetcar Museum of Transport Kirkwood c1981 Ohio Lake Shore Electric 39 box motor Buckeye Lake Trolley Homerville c1992 Oklahoma Pittsburg County Electric 52 box motor Trolley's Restaurant McAlester c2003 Utah Utah-Idaho Central 506 interurban Utah Railroad Museum Ogden c1979 Utah-Idaho Central 513 interurban Utah Railroad Museum Ogden c1979 Wisconsin Chicago Surface Lines 1278 streetcar Tractor Museum Marion c1980 |
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| Author: | railfanmag [ Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Frank Hicks - Did You Find the Missing Streetcars? |
According to the Canadian Trackside Guide (which is a must-have in any reference collection), CN 6741 is owned by Alberta Prairie Railway Excursions in Stettler (along with CN 6740, 6744 and 6747). Don't know if this helps... Steve Barry Railfan & Railroad |
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| Author: | robertjohndavis [ Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Frank Hicks - Did You Find the Missing Streetcars? |
Agreed, Steve. The Canadian guide is astonishingly good, year after year. I know it has help some US pieces be repatriated just by letting guys know they still existed. It would be a great undertaking for someone to produce a US version. Rob |
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| Author: | Frank Hicks [ Fri Dec 19, 2008 6:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Frank Hicks - Did You Find the Missing Streetcars? |
I apologize for the "necro-posting" but this is pretty much a follow-up on the "missing electric cars" thread from a while back. Updates have continued to trickle in on the streetcars listed on the Preserved Electric Cars roster site as "missing in action," i.e. equipment that was preserved at one point but can't be found at the moment. A few more have been checked off the list: Georgia Railway & Power 704 (flat motor) - confirmed scrapped, had apparently been damaged by the Southern in a switching accident Lake Shore Electric 39 (box motor) - confirmed still in existence (body only), privately owned and located in Homerville, OH San Francisco & Napa Valley 52 (interurban) - was cut down to the frame, apparently in the late 1970's; remains still at Dunsmuir Railroad Park St. Louis Public Service 1031 (streetcar) - confirmed scrapped Remaining cars that reached preservation status but then disappeared are listed below; any info would be appreciated. Thanks! wesp wrote: Railway/Num Car Type Owner Location Last seen
Alberta Calgary Municipal Railway 70 streetcar City Park Calgary c2003 Canadian National 6741 rapid transit car Alberta Railway Museum Edmonton c1995 California Los Angeles Railways 9352 line car private owner ? c1977 Georgia Georgia Railway & Power 995 streetcar Southeastern Railway Museum Duluth c1996 Indiana Chicago Transit Authority S347 work motor Indiana Transportation Museum Noblesville c1980 Chicago Transit Authority S348 work motor Indiana Transportation Museum Noblesville c1980 Kansas Arkansas Valley Interurban 7 streetcar Wichita Historical Museum Wichita c1978 Maine Massachusetts Bay Transit Authority 3284 work motor Seashore Trolley Museum Kennebunkport c1983 Michigan Chicago Transit Authority 4325 rapid transit car Escanaba & Lake Superior Wells c1996 Reading Transit & Light 510 streetcar Detroit Citizens Railway Detroit c1973 Minnesota Hanna Mining 306 locomotive Hill Annex Mine State Park Calumet c2004 Oklahoma Pittsburg County Electric 52 box motor Trolley's Restaurant McAlester c2003 Utah Utah-Idaho Central 506 interurban Utah Railroad Museum Ogden c1979 Utah-Idaho Central 513 interurban Utah Railroad Museum Ogden c1979 Wisconsin Chicago Surface Lines 1278 streetcar Tractor Museum Marion c1980 |
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| Author: | CSontag [ Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Speaking of Missing Streetcars... |
Hi, Lately I have become very interested in Cincinnati curved sided interurbans, especially the later ones as built for the Indianapolis & Southeastern and Dayton & Troy. The ones that made it to Speedrail were burned (I&SE 200, 230, 235, 240, 245, 260, and D&T 201, 203). Dayton & Troy 202 and 204 were destroyed in scrapping of the Lehigh Valley Transit in 1949. So, 205, 210, 215, 220, 225, and 255 remain to be accounted. 3 (210, 215 & 225) were used for parts on the Intercity Rapid Transit. Does anyone know if the bodies were sold for cottages? 2 (205 & 220) went to Beach Groove Transit. Might there be a chicken coop with a I&SE heritage? I&SE 255 went to Georgia Power. Does anyone know if the body was sold for a cabin or if it was burned and scrapped. Thanks, Charles |
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| Author: | ted_roy [ Sun Dec 21, 2008 12:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Frank Hicks - Did You Find the Missing Streetcars? |
Frank, I think and the boys from Seashore should be able to collaborate, but I think that the MBTA motor flat was scrapped. Ted. |
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| Author: | RCD [ Mon Dec 22, 2008 3:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Frank Hicks - Did You Find the Missing Streetcars? |
Nothing to see here, just keep on moving.
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| Author: | Frank Hicks [ Mon Dec 22, 2008 6:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Frank Hicks - Did You Find the Missing Streetcars? |
RCD wrote: Nothing to see here, just keep on moving. Heh! Hey, those are pretty neat photos. What is it? My guess is a Wason, possibly converted from a deck or RR roof judging by the wood siding. Holyoke Street Railway perhaps? |
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| Author: | robertmacdowell [ Mon Dec 22, 2008 11:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Frank Hicks - Did You Find the Missing Streetcars? |
OMG, how did the streetcar get there? Some sort of terrible GG1 4876 type falling through union station incident? or did some railfan stash it in his garage? |
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| Author: | Tim Lesniak [ Wed Dec 24, 2008 5:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Frank Hicks - Did You Find the Missing Streetcars? |
If I'm thinking this is what I think it is, it is a Holyoke, MA Street Railway Car. So, yes it is basically someone shoving it into their garage, but it is well preserved. I have been to the location, and I have spoke to the owner and he is adamant about preserving it. Even if he doesn't restore it, he doesn't want it to deteriorate from sitting outside. He also doesn't want it to go to a museum that will just put it outside under a tarp. Yes, we museums have a bad rap for acquiring things and leaving them outside. This is why people do not wish to bring their treasures to us for other people to enjoy. Yes, the car is hanging off of an edge, but the car is structurally sound. Personally I wouldn't want all that stress on the body, however, I suppose it is better having that stress on the body and being inside rather than being out in the elements. I know that some of you will want to know where it is, but, out of respect for the owner, I will not be giving out that information, as I am sure he does not want to be inundated with phone calls or visitors to see this car. |
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| Author: | RCD [ Thu Dec 25, 2008 12:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Frank Hicks - Did You Find the Missing Streetcars? |
We at the SFTM really need another trolley car so I am going to try to get this one. |
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