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 Post subject: Brookville shows industrial switcher in New Haven livery.
PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:27 pm 

http://www.brookvilleequipment.com/


  
 
 Post subject: Re: Brookville shows industrial switcher in New Haven livery
PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:47 pm 

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Here is more information on the locomotive, on the Brookville equipment company's forum.

http://www.brookvilleequipment.com/foru ... c.php?t=80

It's funny, but usually when I think of Brookville locomotives, I think of the little one we have at the Rockhill Trolley Museum, and somehow this blows my mind!

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 Post subject: Re: Brookville shows industrial switcher in New Haven livery
PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:13 am 

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I just took a quick look at the first Brookville link, and while you have to click on the word industrial to get to that unit, it is NOT an industrial unit. Their web designer should have started a road unit catagory.

IIRC from other sources, these units even have HEP, so they can handle some of the shorter "shuttle" trains. It will be interesting to see how these work out, over a period of time


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 Post subject: Re: Brookville -History Repeating Itself?? And A question
PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 12:51 pm 

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What's interesting about Bville, NREC, Motivepower Industries and Railpower is that the locomotive industry is rapidly changing from a duopoly (GE/EMD) to sort of Duopolistic Competion -which is essentially what you had 90 years ago when Baldwin and Alco were the the two big dogs-with smaller builders (Vulcan, Porter, Lima) picking up the leftovers, although to be accurate-the new competitors are refurbishers rather than true manufacturers.

Of course Lima became a serious player for big power when Will Woodard created the "superpower" concept after the failure of Baldwin to acquire Lima in 1919 and quite frankly, I suspect had the intellectual property laws been as expansive then as they were now, Lima might have caused even more chaos for Baldwin, who always seemed to have a knack for interesting but commercially useless technologies (compounding, the whole 60000 concept, direct drive turbines, turbine electrics, duplexes).

EMD and GE essentially have vacated the four-axle, low to mid switcher & roadswitcher horsepower markets and have left a gaping hole. Think of all the shortlines and regionals out there that need to replace aging units and how much money the big lines spend restoring GP38-2's and later.

Additionally, today, EMD, without the parentage of GM is vulnerable. GE is going to have a substantial advantage in the future, because its abilities to "cross pollinate" its Transportation Services unit with other technologies it owns and internal managerial talent. The big roads will always seek to keep some supplier competition, but I wonder how long it will be before the next big architectural change leaves EMD as a parts supplier.

Caterpillar & Detroit Diesel have long looked at locomotives as a natural market for their core competencies as engine manufacturers-but an all out assault penetration on a market that values familiarity and conformity would be too risky.

If the "gen-set" concept catches on, the GEVO-12 and 710G?? prime movers developing 4000 horsepower will be the "Big Boys" of the future.
(not to mention the EMD 4 cycle and Deutz 6000 HP disasters). Diesels won in part because they were scalable-now that same scalability is being implanted WITHIN a unit, rather than just across units.

So, you a museum/tourist operation in 2018/2028. Your GP or F unit or just had a main bearing failure. You actually have the money to deal with this calamity. You can reinstall an increasingly rare 567 or 645 OR you can redo the whole thing with a couple of CAT 700HP's. Actually this more of an issue with a place running some ALCO RS, I suppose.

What do you do??


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 Post subject: Re: Brookville -History Repeating Itself?? And A question
PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:08 pm 

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That gets to an interesting local conversation some friends have been having lately. Do you want to really RUN it or do you just want to see it move? If all you want is something that you can bring out and parade, the power requirement can be very small, like an air cooled deutz powering one traction motor. In fact, it might be done leaving all the original machinery in place.

By the way the switcher that MotivePower just delivered to NJ Transit is an interesting contrast to some of the multi engine stuff. It is a very conventional locomotive with a single CAT 3516C engine rated at 2000 horsepower. The control stand and cab interior are all very familiar, on the EMD pattern, and if it were not for the different sound you would think you were in a GP38-2. Well, at least a very nice GP38-2 with air conditioning and lots of sound insulation.

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 Post subject: Re: Brookville shows industrial switcher in New Haven livery
PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:44 pm 

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Phil Raynes wrote:
It's funny, but usually when I think of Brookville locomotives, I think of the little one we have at the Rockhill Trolley Museum, and somehow this blows my mind!


My family used to have a camp near Brookville. Back in the 1970's I found out about "Brookville Locomotive" and I couldn't imagine how I'd managed to overlook a locomotive manufacturer in that small town. On our next visit, I talked my grandfather into going to see the place (It wasn't hard to convince him) and off we went. I was picturing something on the order of the EMD plant at LaGrange I suppose. :)

What we found was a small building we drove by fairly often, but which looked like a truck shop. Here's an excellent photo of the "erecting floor"

http://donsdepot.donrossgroup.net/dr1001/brookv1.jpg

That's pretty much what I recall seeing, and you're viewing most of the plant that they had at the time. They were friendly, and took time to give a kid and his grandfather a tour of the entire plant (which didn't take long). I was impressed by the friendly people there, but I have to admit it wasn't quite as big a shop as I was hoping for.

http://donsdepot.donrossgroup.net/dr819.htm


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