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Author:  Richard [ Sat Jan 26, 2002 10:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Steam overhauled and then not used,condemned,gone.
Aside from some of the Nickle Plate Berkshires, which major railroads kept serviced, overhauled, and ready steam locomotives available into the Diesel era, then sent them off for scrap? I'm thinking UP and it's Bigboys. Who are the others?

glueck@saturn.caps.maine.edu
Author:  Jim Adams [ Sat Jan 26, 2002 11:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Steam overhauled and then not used,condemned,g
> Aside from some of the Nickle Plate
> Berkshires, which major railroads kept
> serviced, overhauled, and ready steam
> locomotives available into the Diesel era,
> then sent them off for scrap? I'm thinking
> UP and it's Bigboys. Who are the others?

The IC 2500 we have in the park at Centralia, IL made one short trip after a class 5. When it was given to the city the RR put a new jacket on it
and gave it a fresh coat of paint. Many of the oil lines and such were not replaced when the new jacket was put on so it would have to be called a cosmetic restoration.
None of these ommissions would make it impossible to restore it to operating condition.
This was one of several servicable engines that
had an overhaul just before being retired. The
2741, for instance was the last engine overhauled at Paducah. She made a breakin run and then sat in the Rhse until she was pulled out and scrapped.
Jim.


rrfanjim@mvn.net
Author:  Howard P. [ Sun Jan 27, 2002 12:26 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Steam overhauled and then not used,condemned,g
CPR and CNR both had many locomotives in that category, with some of the last ones being scrapped as late as 1966. CNR 3254 (at Steamtown) overhauled in 1958 at Stratford, Ont., was test-run and stored. When I saw the firebox in 1975 (3254 was still up on the mountain in Ashland, Pa.), the weld spatter was still present around the tube ends on the tube sheet-- hadn't been cinder-blasted off yet.

Nelson Blount bought 1293 and 1246 off a CPR dead line in 1965, and 1246 had been shopped at Weston-Winnipeg in 1958, and never run afterward.

hpincus@mindspring.com
Author:  Dave [ Sun Jan 27, 2002 7:26 am ]
Post subject:  Not quite never but.....
Georgia Power overhauled GOAT and used minimally in standby service. Central of Georgia replaced the firebox and installed new tires and did a lot of work on Old Maude, the Macon shop goat, in the late 1950's and retired her shortly thereafter.

Dave

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Author:  Smokebox [ Sun Jan 27, 2002 11:41 am ]
Post subject:  Steam overhauled , not used, still here
The OR&N 197 (AKA UP 3203) had a rebuild in the fifties, I was told in preperation of flood service. Before the dams on the Columbia River were built, it was common for the UP yards to flood in Portland and The Dalles. The #197 is a 1905 light Pacific type with a high mounted firebox. During our on going restoration of this locomotive, we found that the firebrick was new, a descaled interior of the boiler (not over the firebox though), and new tubes put in. These all showed the #197 had one fire put in her before she was put in the park. The driver tires are like new. The only other remaining UP Pacific type, # 3206, was donated to Spokane in 1955, the donation of the #3203 to Portland was in 1958.

Smokebox
Author:  G. Mark Ray - TVRM [ Sun Jan 27, 2002 1:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Steam overhauled and then not used,condemned,g
To add to Howard's note, CNR 5288 was overhauled in November, 1957 and placed in the roundhouse. She was stored "Out of Service" until her retirement in February, 1960. Fortunately, she was purchased by Nelson Blount and not scrapped. The arch brick in the firebox still look brand new and show no signs of ever having a fire on them.

G. Mark Ray - TVRM

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Author:  Joel [ Sun Jan 27, 2002 10:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Steam overhauled and then not used,condemned,g
Do you mean Ashland PA where the Pioneer Tunnel railroad operation is located? I had no idea the locomotive was there.

Joel

>When I saw
> the firebox in 1975 (3254 was still up on
> the mountain in Ashland, Pa.), the weld
> spatter was still present around the tube
> ends on the tube sheet-- hadn't been
> cinder-blasted off yet.



jdstrolley@enter.net
Author:  Burlington John [ Mon Jan 28, 2002 1:11 am ]
Post subject:  CB&Q 4001 *PIC*
CB&Q 4-6-4 Hudson #4001 was built at the West Burlington Iowa shops of the Q as the Burlington's second streamlined locomotive.

Significant is that she is the only engine on the Q besides the West Burlington built O5s to have a vestibule cab.

4001 was overhauled at the Denver Shops in 1954. The shopping was completed in March 1954 but the engine remained at Denver until September 1955.

4001 was shipped to Lincoln, Nebraska, set up for service, and then placed in storage to await the call to service that never came. 4001 went to scrap in 1960 without having been fired up since her overhaul!

The 4001 picture (after the shroud was removed) is a link from the Denver Public Library's Otto Perry collection, enjoy....

Regards,
Burlington John

(Info comes from the Burlington Route Historical Society Burlington Bulletin #33)

Burlington Route Historical Society
Image
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Author:  Howard P. [ Mon Jan 28, 2002 1:28 am ]
Post subject:  Re: CNR 3254 & Ashland Motel
> Do you mean Ashland PA where the Pioneer
> Tunnel railroad operation is located? I had
> no idea the locomotive was there.

> Joel

Not too many people knew it was there.

3254 was at the Ashland Motel, up at the top of the hill from the RDG tracks, from 1963 until 1978. Motel owner Wills F. Barron wanted a steam locomotive for display at his establishment, and wrote the CNR, asking to purchase "a small steam engine". 3254 is what arrived on the RDG's Ashland team track a few months later. The boiler was removed from the frame for transport to the motel. Barron soon built a shed roof over the engine, to keep the weather off. He sold 3254 to Gettysburg Railroad about 1977-78.

hpincus@mindspring.com
Author:  Howard P. [ Mon Jan 28, 2002 1:31 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 5288
> To add to Howard's note, CNR 5288 was
> overhauled in November, 1957 and placed in
> the roundhouse. She was stored "Out of
> Service" until her retirement in
> February, 1960. Fortunately, she was
> purchased by Nelson Blount and not scrapped.
> The arch brick in the firebox still look
> brand new and show no signs of ever having a
> fire on them.

5288 was a likely candidate for use by FNB's Green Mountain Rwy., as it had US certification (remember, she was standby engine for the CV's "Montrealer"). But, the brass thieves hit her hard before she got to Bellows Falls, and the damage was never repaired.



hpincus@mindspring.com
Author:  Steve C [ Mon Jan 28, 2002 5:18 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Steam overhauled and then not used,condemned,g
> I remember reading in a back issue of Trains about steam chasing trips to Roanoke, not sure of the location, don't have access to the issue right now, but the author discovered a freshly overhauled Virginan copy of the C&O H-8 2-6-6-6 and a 2-8-4 stored in an enginehouse. I will try to find the issue and add the missing details.
Steve

sacarlso@scj.com
Author:  Kevin Gillespie [ Mon Jan 28, 2002 9:00 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Steam overhauled and then not used,condemned,g
The Virginian had intended to hold onto those engines indefinitely, but as soon as the N&W merger was completed, Stuart Saunders sent them both to scrap.


kevingillespie@usa.net
Author:  Phil Mulligan [ Mon Jan 28, 2002 12:08 pm ]
Post subject:  It's good financial policy
As I recall, boiler work on a steamer was "zero time" until the engine was fired up. Thus, if you don't need all the engines you have, it would make good sense to operate the ones with their clocks running and store the zero time engines until they were needed, either for increased trafic or for when the other engines' boiler time expired.



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Author:  L Beckman [ Mon Jan 28, 2002 4:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: CB&Q 4001
> CB&Q 4-6-4 Hudson #4001 was built at the
> West Burlington Iowa shops of the Q as the
> Burlington's second streamlined locomotive.

> Significant is that she is the only engine
> on the Q besides the West Burlington built
> O5s to have a vestibule cab.

> 4001 was overhauled at the Denver Shops in
> 1954. The shopping was completed in March
> 1954 but the engine remained at Denver until
> September 1955.

> 4001 was shipped to Lincoln, Nebraska, set
> up for service, and then placed in storage
> to await the call to service that never
> came. 4001 went to scrap in 1960 without
> having been fired up since her overhaul!

> The 4001 picture (after the shroud was
> removed) is a link from the Denver Public
> Library's Otto Perry collection, enjoy....

> Regards,
> Burlington John

> (Info comes from the Burlington Route
> Historical Society Burlington Bulletin #33)

John: Thanks for submitting the photo of #4001; always a pleasure to see any photo of Q steam. I seem to recall reading that the Burlington converted a couple of Hudson's to oil burners (class S4b). Was #4001 one of those? If she was, she would have seemed a "natural" (considering the overhaul already done) to replace the 5632 when that engine came due for heavy repairs. Wonder if the Q ever even considered it?


midlandblb@cs.com
Author:  jimwrinn [ Mon Jan 28, 2002 5:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Over Hauled...
Gosh, guys, all thought ALL park engines were overhauled, new sheets, tubes, turned the tires, etc. BEFORE placing them on display.

Just kidding.

Maybe there should be a website for "Over Hauled" for engines that were beaten to death, then run just a little more (as per standard, SR practice).

Wrinnbo@aol.com
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