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| Author: | steamtown observer [ Tue Oct 21, 2008 9:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | CNJ 592 |
Howard P. wrote: Yes, there is one: CNJ 592, a Camelback 4-4-2 at B&O Museum. It was given a very preliminary survey for possible restoration to operating status about 1990. A very neat locomotive, and one that would send the FRA folks into orbit regarding crew safety!! Howard P. If I'm not mistaken, this locomotive arrived at the B&O museum under its own power. Also, it has been under cover most of the time since. Not suggesting it can/should be restored but it certainly has been well cared for. For those of us more in tune with the diesel age, I would love to see CNJ 1000 move out of the B&O roundhouse under its own power. |
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| Author: | SteveRG [ Tue Oct 21, 2008 9:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CNJ 592 |
A very neat locomotive, and one that would send the FRA folks into orbit regarding crew safety!! Because of the cab placement right? |
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| Author: | Joshua K. Blay [ Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CNJ 592 |
I had no idea the 592 was evaluated in 1990, I'd love to see the findings. She was towed to the museum, there are some photos I have seen of this in a few books. Big to do with a flat car in front of her. Even some photos at a station with members of public standing on the flat while a train goes by an adjacent track. She came with an old passenger car I believe. Speaking of boxcabs, are any in operational shape? How about the DL&W one at IRM? Joshua |
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| Author: | Howard P. [ Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CNJ 592 |
CNJ 592 was towed to the Museum in 1954. A News Photo in TRAINS at the time showed a CNJ RS-3 handling 592 and a narrow-vestibule wood coach westbound on the RDG at Bound Brook. As I recall, the tubes/flues are cut out of the engine. The tube sheets are intact; they were rumored to be cut out of the boiler. I have B&W pics somewhere. The dome cap was not opened at the time as far as I know. The idea behind the assesment was use as a shuttle locomotive for the 1-mile trip at the Museum (like the St. Elizabeth engine is used now). One of the people browsing this forum now was one of the inspectors then (1990). Howard P. |
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| Author: | robertjohndavis [ Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CNJ 592 |
Howard, I believe you are right about the #592's tubes, but I would love to hear from the evaluator. She's got parts from several camelbacks on her. Fischer's book has some detail on that. It is too bad that #774 wasn't saved in her stead, or in addition to her, as it was complete and operational until the end. A group of buffs tried to save her, but like the Reading G-3 group, the funds did not develop. Someday we will see a camelback run. Someday... Rob |
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| Author: | Kevin Gillespie [ Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | CNJ 592 |
I don't know what happened in 1990, but I can say that since the 2003 roof collapse, CNJ 592 is no longer being considered for operation. The reason is her weight. In the cleanup that followed the roof collapse, it was discovered that the turntable bearing was cracked. It was decided that there were three possible culprits, CNJ 592, Cass 1 and WM 6, which was removed in 1981, and replaced by Cass 1, and St Elizabeth's Hospital 4. CNJ 592 and Cass 1 are the only pieces of rolling stock that have not been moved since the roof collapse. The current management has decided to keep them where they are to keep the new bearing from cracking. So let's look forward to seeing CNJ 113 in operation in the near future. |
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| Author: | bbunge [ Thu Oct 23, 2008 8:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CNJ 592 |
[quote="Kevin Gillespie" In the cleanup that followed the roof collapse, it was discovered that the turntable bearing was cracked. It was decided that there were three possible culprits, CNJ 592, Cass 1 and WM 6, which was removed in 1981, and replaced by Cass 1, and St Elizabeth's Hospital 4. CNJ 592 and Cass 1 are the only pieces of rolling stock that have not been moved since the roof collapse. The current management has decided to keep them where they are to keep the new bearing from cracking. [/quote] This matches what I was told by a volunteer during one visit regarding 592. At the fall Steam Days, the Porter had been turned around. I had assumed they had used the turntable. Anyone know how it was done if they didn't use the table? Bob |
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| Author: | C. Edwards [ Thu Oct 23, 2008 8:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CNJ 592 |
The turntable was used to turn #4. It is used on a regular basis to move things in and out of the roundhouse, we just do not use it to move anything over 50 tons or so. The above mentioned engines weigh over that and that is why they will not be moved on the turntable at any point in the forseeable future. |
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| Author: | Mike Stillwell [ Thu Oct 23, 2008 9:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CNJ 592 |
With all due respect - It had to be WM Shay 6 that did the damage. At a 150 tons vs Mower 1's 65 tons, on 6 axels, if it didn't crack it, I can't imagine what did. Anyone know 592's dry weight? Mike Stillwell Buena Vista, VA. |
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| Author: | PJS [ Thu Oct 23, 2008 11:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CNJ 592 |
Another candidate for cracking the bearing on the turntable would be the EA, B&O 51, which even in its partially stripped condition must weigh over 50 tons? For many years it was inside the roundhouse. Pete Schmidt |
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| Author: | C. Edwards [ Thu Oct 23, 2008 11:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CNJ 592 |
My understanding is that when the #51 was inside it was directly across from the entrance track and that the turntable just jacked to distribute weight when it came in and out. |
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| Author: | SZuiderveen [ Thu Oct 23, 2008 5:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CNJ 592 |
Howard P. wrote: CNJ 592 was towed to the Museum in 1954. A News Photo in TRAINS at the time showed a CNJ RS-3 handling 592 and a narrow-vestibule wood coach westbound on the RDG at Bound Brook. As I recall, the tubes/flues are cut out of the engine. The tube sheets are intact; they were rumored to be cut out of the boiler. I have B&W pics somewhere. The dome cap was not opened at the time as far as I know. The idea behind the assesment was use as a shuttle locomotive for the 1-mile trip at the Museum (like the St. Elizabeth engine is used now). One of the people browsing this forum now was one of the inspectors then (1990). Howard P. I would like to stress extremely preliminary, as in "were the rumors true that the front tube sheet had been cut out?" The answer to that is "Yes." The assessment was limited to a few knowledgeable people opening the smokebox door and having a good look inside. It was for the purposes of deciding if a "Friends of" committee should be formed to sponsor the only operable Camelback in the US. The smokebox door was then quietly closed and life went on as usual. Steve |
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| Author: | Howard P. [ Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CNJ 592 |
I think the firebox was also entered. Steve is quite correct; it was a "shall we go any further with this" look-around. Interesting idea, none the less. Howard P. |
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