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Author:  RDG 179 [ Fri Aug 07, 2009 11:56 am ]
Post subject:  Surviving Tenders
Has anyone worked on a list showing the location of steam locomotive tenders that still exist?
Some museums have tenders without engines, and ones that became A-tanks.
There are still some tenders "out there" in use on today's RRs for various purposes such as oil tanks for wreck cranes, etc.
I recall seeing some old C&O tenders at Balcony Falls . . . but that was back in the late 80's. Are they still there?
Where did the ex-NYC tender come from that was mated up so well to WMSR 734?
Where are the tenders !
Author:  RDG 179 [ Fri Aug 07, 2009 11:59 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Surviving Tenders
I should add that I am refering to tenders without engines.
There are several good resources showing surviving engines, with their tenders.
Author:  Jdelhaye [ Fri Aug 07, 2009 12:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Surviving Tenders
RDG 179 wrote:
Where did the ex-NYC tender come from that was mated up so well to WMSR 734?
Where are the tenders !


WMSR 34's tender used to sit in Cleveland, OH, coupled to C&O 2707. If I remember the story correctly, it had been used for diesel fuel storage. I believe this tender was owned by the same group that owns GTW 4070.

IRM has a spare GTW U-3-b tender which came from the Bob Johnson estate, as well as a CNW class H tender which had been converted to a diesel fuel/sand storage car.

Jeff
Author:  Ted Miles [ Fri Aug 07, 2009 12:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Surviving Tenders
The Cororado Railroad Museum has a water car that is the tender from a long gone narrow gauge steam locomotive.

There is a roster on their web site; or used to be.

The Western Pacific Museum at Portola has the tender from a long gone WP locomotive.

And if you are doing Canada the Museum of Rail Travel has the tender on display from a Canadian Pacific locomotive.

Ted Miles
Author:  Richard W. [ Fri Aug 07, 2009 2:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Surviving Tenders MILW X-908140
The Northwest Railway Museum in Snoqualmie, WA has CMStP&P Water Tender X-908140.

Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul and Pacific Water Tender X-908140

Type: 8,500 Gallon Water Tender Builder: Milwaukee Shops Built: 1910
Purpose: Water Storage Body: Steel

Chicago, Milwaukee and Puget Sound F4, 4-6-2 #3014 - Tender (1910-1912)
Chicago, Milwaukee and Puget Sound F5b, 4-6-2 #6720 - Tender (1912-1924)
Chicago, Milwaukee and Puget Sound F5b, 4-6-2 #6345 - Tender (1924-1938)
Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul and Pacific F5b, 4-6-2 #849 - Tender (1938-1952)
Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul and Pacific #X-908140 - Water Tender (1953-1962)
Donated to the Northwest Railway Museum in 1962

Built by the Chicago, Milwaukee and St. Paul Railroad in its Milwaukee, Wisconsin shops in June 1910, this tender originally was assigned to Chicago, Milwaukee and Puget Sound Railroad class F4, 4-6-2 Pacific #3014. In June of 1912 the tender was mated to CM&PS class F5b, 4-6-2 #6720. This locomotive was renumbered to #6345 in 1924 and in 1938 it became the #849, the number it would keep until retirement in September 1952. On April 10, 1953 the tender was placed in maintenance of way service as a water tender by adding a coupler to the front and utilizing the fuel tank and water tank for water. The tender was retired in 1962 and donated to the Northwest Railway Museum.

Richard Wilkens
Author:  Richard Glueck [ Fri Aug 07, 2009 5:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Surviving Tenders
Pennsy used a huge number of steam loco tenders for wreck train service. I wonder how many of those remain today? I'm sure somewhere, somebody like PRRT&HS, must have that figured. St. Louis had a GN Vanderbilt tender. There was the M1b tender that sat in Hagerstown, now with the WNYRR preservation group, hopefully to go on a Rehabilitated I1sa!
Author:  John D [ Fri Aug 07, 2009 6:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Surviving Tenders
The Old Dominion Chapter, NRHS, in Richmond, VA, has an old, ex-C&O Vanderbilt tender. I do not know any more particulars.
Author:  Jdelhaye [ Fri Aug 07, 2009 7:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Surviving Tenders
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One more tender owned by IRM, is an ex-KCS vanderbilt, stored at Galt, IL.

Jeff
Author:  Les Beckman [ Fri Aug 07, 2009 7:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Surviving Tenders
Jdelhaye wrote:
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One more tender owned by IRM, is an ex-KCS vanderbilt, stored at Galt, IL.

Jeff


Jeff -

I'm surprised to hear that this tender is still sitting there at Galt. With the last of the ex-GTW 0-8-0's moved out of there, I thought that IRM moved the tender out too. This tender is rather interesting as it was used behind one of the Kansas City Southern's 2-8-8-0's (I forget which one) and to fit onto the KCS's turntables, it had the rear set of trucks moved forward from where they should have been located. Does IRM still plan on bringing the tender to Union?

Les
Author:  Jdelhaye [ Fri Aug 07, 2009 9:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Surviving Tenders
Les Beckman wrote:
Does IRM still plan on bringing the tender to Union?

Les

I'm not sure, I haven't heard any recent plans for it. Another strange fact about this tender is that, while used at Northwestern Steel and Wire, it was drawbarred to a GTW 0-8-0 , tank end to the cab, so that the (oil) fuel bunker wouldn't interfere with the cab roof overhang.

Jeff
Author:  p51 [ Sat Aug 08, 2009 12:23 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Surviving Tenders
I just read a 1976 article from Trains about the original auto train that showed what was ID'd to be an old GN 4-8-4 tender being used for a steam boiler car. I wonder whatever happened to that.
I do know that 4449 runs with a old cab forward tender with rounded edges. Seen it plenty of times...
Author:  RDG 179 [ Thu Aug 13, 2009 1:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Surviving Tenders
What about in the eastern U.S. ?
I recall seeing a tender with a wreck train in East Deerfield Yard a few years ago.
There were a few tenders sitting around on Amtrak (leftover PRR ?) presumably as fuel oil tanks. Are they gone?
Where did the tender come from that is displayed at the Altoona RR Museum ?
Any others...?
Thanks
Author:  ATK [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:04 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Surviving Tenders
I'm surprised no one has mentioned this car yet:
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=285513
http://rrheritage.blogspot.com/2008/11/new-york-central-4-6-4-hudson-tender.html
I guess Conrail had used this car in MOW service, but for what purpose?

There's a lot of aux water tenders that have been running around in modern day excursion service. Some I know the history of, others I don't. For example, what's the history of the aux tender that was usually carried behind MILW 261?
Author:  Afboone [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 6:43 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Surviving Tenders
Here is a pic of what I think is a tender that was converted to a water tender at Steamtown.

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Author:  John D [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:55 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Surviving Tenders
Can't believe I forgot these-last I recall, there were 2 N&W tenders as part of the "Lost Engines of Roanoke" collection. The tenders had been in the process of being converted to water cars before being acquired by Virginia Scrap Iron and Metal (Gary Gray, you probably know more about this topic!).

My grandfather ran an electrical armature shop in downtown Roanoke, across the street/parking lot from what today is the transportation museum in Roanoke. He died back around 1989, but before he passed away, I asked him if he knew the owner of the scrapyard (he had had his shop in Roanoke since the 1920s). He did, but had nothing nice to say...then again, that wasn't all that unusual for him!
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