Can anyone tell me if there are any Prairie type locomotives preserved a.) operational b.) static in California? or even in the Western U.S?

Thanks

wyld@oc-net.com

There are several A.T.& S.F. 2-6-2 types. However, the first one that comes to mind is the Santa Fe 1010 at CSRM in Sacramento, Ca.

edwinsinclair@hotmail.com

> Can anyone tell me if there are any Prairie
> type locomotives preserved a.) operational
> b.) static in California? or even in the
> Western U.S?

The Pacific Locomotive Association (http://www.ncry.org/) has 3 of them. Qunicy #2, Robert Dollar #3 and Howard Terminal #30 (Sierra Railway #30). Both the #2 and #3 are undergoing heavy overhaul but the #2 should be back in service this summer.

Southern Pacific Black Widow GP9
sp5623@earthlink.net

> The Pacific Locomotive Association
> (http://www.ncry.org/) has 3 of them. Qunicy
> #2, Robert Dollar #3 and Howard Terminal #30
> (Sierra Railway #30).

That should be Howard Terminal #6. Proofread, proofread.

Southern Pacific Black Widow GP9
sp5623@earthlink.net

> Can anyone tell me if there are any Prairie
> type locomotives preserved a.) operational
> b.) static in California? or even in the
> Western U.S?

> Thanks

Here are the Prairies listed in J. David Conrad's "bible" (caution, long list--better yet, buy a copy of Dave's book!) (any errors or mistranscriptions are undoubtedly mine, not his):

Baldwin 1919
Edmonton AB
Industrial

Baldwin 1914
Sedgewick AB
Industrial

Montreal 1923
Fort Steele BC
Industrial

Baldwin 1910
Courtenay BC
2-6-2T
Industrial

Porter 1924
Chemainus BC
2-6-2ST
Industrial

Baldwin 1923
Beavercove BC
2-6-2T
Industrial

Baldwin 1910
Squamish BC
2-6-2T&T
Industrial

Baldwin 1925
Essex CT
Sumpter & Choctaw 103.

Baldwin 1913
Bradenton FL
Industrial

Baldwin 1917
Port St. Joe FL
Industrial

Baldwin 1920
Leesburg FL
Industrial

Baldwin 1914
Zolfo Springs FL
Industrial

Davenport 1918
Fort Benning GA
2-6-2ST
US Army 5227.

Porter 1921
Griffen GA
Industrial

Baldwin 1925
Paris KY
Caddo & Choctaw 11.
Reader 11.

Vulcan 1927
Stone Mountain GA
Industrial

Baldwin 1919
Monee IL
Industrial

Porter 1925
Monee IL
2-6-2T
Industrial

Baldwin 1914
Monee IL
Industrial

Baldwin 1920
Monee IL
Industrial

Baldwin 1924
Union IL
Tuskegee 101.

Baldwin 1919
Connersville IN
Industrial

Baldwin 1916
Nahma MI
Nahma & Northern 5.

Baldwin 1916
Ontonagon MI
Industrial

Baldwin 1920
North Conway NH
Industrial
Reader 108.

Baldwin 1926
Wolfeboro NH
Bonhomie & Hattiesburg 250.

Baldwin 1920
Farmingdale NJ
Surry, Sussex & Southern 26.

Baldwin 1912
Glen Falls NY
Industrial

Porter 1897
Cleveland OH
Industrial

Lima 1910
Cleveland OH
Industrial

Burnham 1909
Dillsburg PA
Industrial

Baldwin 1914
Scranton PA
Industrial

Burnham 1901
North Lake WI
McCloud River 9.
Yreka Western 9.

Vulcan 1916
Laona WI
Fairchild & Northeastern 12.
Laona/Northern RY 12.

Lima 1907
Yakutat AK
Yakutat & Southern 2.

Baldwin 1913
Reader AR
Industrial

Burnham 1907
Reader AR
Victoria, Fisher & W. 7.

Baldwin 1910
Eureka CA
Industrial

Burnham 1901
Ione CA
McCloud River 8.
Amador Central 7.

Alco-Dic 1902
Los Angeles CA
Duluth, VA & Rainy L 13.

Alco-S 1925
McCloud CA
McCloud River 25.

Burnham 1907
Newhall CA
Industrial

Baldwin 1922
Perris CA

Industrial
Ventura County RR 2.

Burnham 1907
Portola CA
Industrial

Alco-S 1924
Richmond CA
2-6-2ST
Quincy RR 2.

Baldwin 1922
Richmond CA
Sierra RY 30.
Howard Terminal RY 6.

CP Sacra 1882
Richmond CA
2-6-2ST
Central Pacific 233.
SP 1903.

Alco-S 1927
Rio Vista CA
2-6-2T
Industrial

Burnham 1901
Sacramento CA
AT&SF 1010.

Baldwin 1922
Stockton CA
Humboldt Northern 3.
Stockton Terminal & 3.

Baldwin 1924
Willits CA
2-6-2ST
Industrial
CA Western 14.

Burnham 1901
La Junta CO

AT&SF 1024.

Burnham 1906
Lamar CO
AT&SF 1819.

Baldwin 1920
Atlantic IA
Industrial
Florida & Alabama 18.

Baldwin 1928
Mount Pleasant IA
Kahului RR 12.
Midwest Central 12.

Burnham 1902
Coffeyville KS
AT&SF 1079.

Burnham 1903
Dodge City KS
AT&SF 1139.

Burnham 1901
Emporia KS
AT&SF 1015.

Burnham 1902
Independence KS
AT&SF 1050.

Burnham 1902
Lawrence KS
AT&SF 1073.

Burnham 1907
Newton KS
AT&SF 1880.

Burnham 1902
Wellington KS
AT&SF 1067.

Baldwin 1927
Monroe LA
Industrial

Porter 1911
Annadale MN
2-6-2T
Industrial

Alco-B 1907
Duluth MN
NP 2435.

Alco-C 1922
Kansas City MO
2-6-2T
Industrial

Porter 1915
Sparks NV
Eureka Nevada RY 7.

Burnham 1902
Las Vegas NM
AT&SF 1129.

Burnham 1902
Ardmore OK
AT&SF 1108.

Burnham 1902
Blackwell OK
AT&SF 1096.

Baldwin 1912
El Reno OK
Klondike Mines RY 4.
White Pass & Yukon 4.

Baldwin 1917
Tulsa OK
TX, OK & Eastern 207.

Baldwin 1923
Banks OR
2-6-2ST
Industrial

Baldwin 1925
Cottage Grove OR
2-6-2ST
Industrial

Baldwin 1925
Cottage Grove OR
Industrial

Alco-C 1921
Sutherlin OR
Hetch Hetchy RR 5.

Baldwin 1924
Willamina OR
San Joaquin & Easter 205.
Santa Maria Valley 205.

Baldwin 1919
Hill City SD
Industrial
Caddo & Choctaw RR 7.

Baldwin 1922
Hill City SD
2-6-2T
Industrial

Baldwin 1926
Hill City SD
2-6-2T
Industrial

Burnham 1902
Brownwood TX
AT&SF 1080.

Baldwin 1920
Galveston TX
Industrial

Baldwin 1923
Lubbock TX

CB&Q 4994.

Burnham 1903
Pineland TX
AT&SF 1140.

Burnham 1906
Slaton TX
AT&SF 1809.

Baldwin 1920
Snyder TX
Industrial
Roscoe, Snyder & Pac 5.

Burnham 1908
Heber City UT
2-6-2T
Sacramento Valley & 2.

Burnham 1906
Hoquiam WA
Industrial

Baldwin 1928
Newhalem WA
Skagit RY 6.

Baldwin 1910
Snoqualmie WA
2-6-2T
Industrial



Kevinmccabe@avenew.com

The list is out of date for two of the 2-6-2 engines listed under Washington State. Ex-Polson Logging #45 / ex-Rayonier Inc. #45 listed at Hoquiam is at Mt. Rainier Scenic. The 2-6-2T listed under Snoqualmie is ex- Port of Olympia #2 and is either at Mt. Rainier Scenic or California now. Skagit River Railway #6 is still at Newhalem off of Hwy. 20.

Richard Wilkens

> Here are the Prairies listed in J. David
> Conrad's "bible" (caution, long
> list--better yet, buy a copy of Dave's
> book!) (any errors or mistranscriptions are
> undoubtedly mine, not his):

> Burnham 1906
> Hoquiam WA
> Industrial

> Baldwin 1928
> Newhalem WA
> Skagit RY 6.

> Baldwin 1910
> Snoqualmie WA
> 2-6-2T
> Industrial

> The list is out of date for two of the 2-6-2
> engines listed under Washington State.
> Ex-Polson Logging #45 / ex-Rayonier Inc. #45
> listed at Hoquiam is at Mt. Rainier Scenic.
> The 2-6-2T listed under Snoqualmie is ex-
> Port of Olympia #2 and is either at Mt.
> Rainier Scenic or California now. Skagit
> River Railway #6 is still at Newhalem off of
> Hwy. 20.

> Richard Wilkens

Kevin,
When did the "vandals" remove a set of drivers out from under ex-CB&Q #4994? Last thing I knew, she was still a 2-8-2 like the #4963 at Union, IL.
Don C.


old_fxrs@msn.com

> Kevin,
> When did the "vandals" remove a
> set of drivers out from under ex-CB&Q
> #4994? Last thing I knew, she was still a
> 2-8-2 like the #4963 at Union, IL.
> Don C.

As I said, any errors are mine.


Kevinmccabe@avenew.com

> Can anyone tell me if there are any Prairie
> type locomotives preserved a.) operational
> b.) static in California? or even in the
> Western U.S?

Orange Empire Railway Museum has operational 2-6-2 Prairie type number 2 former Ventura County Railroad built by Baldwin in 1922. I worked on this lokie in the early 80's in its first restoration to operation. Not sure but last time I heard, it may be down for FRA work.

JB

VC #2

btflco@aol.com

> The list is out of date for two of the 2-6-2
> engines listed under Washington State.
> Ex-Polson Logging #45 / ex-Rayonier Inc. #45
> listed at Hoquiam is at Mt. Rainier Scenic.
> The 2-6-2T listed under Snoqualmie is ex-
> Port of Olympia #2 and is either at Mt.
> Rainier Scenic or California now. Skagit
> River Railway #6 is still at Newhalem off of
> Hwy. 20.

Rich,

The PoO 2 is now lettered "Mason County Logging Co. 7" and was trucked back to Willits CA after it's restoration at the Mt. Rainier Scenic RR's shops last year.

There are photos of the #7 taken at last year's steam up on my website with the also newly restored 2-truck Heisler, Curtis Lumber Co #2 (formerly known as Vancouver Plywood #2).

The #2 sat for years at Jack Roger's museum at Ashford. It was restored in parallel with the #7 and is also privately owned. It is currently at Mineral.

Serious consideration was given to restoring Rayonier 2-6-2 #45 to operation this year, but the decision was made to start work on Rayonier 2-8-2 #70 instead.

Brian



Washington Steam Railroads and Locomotives

brianfr@speakeasy.org

> Orange Empire Railway Museum has operational
> 2-6-2 Prairie type number 2 former Ventura
> County Railroad built by Baldwin in 1922. I
> worked on this lokie in the early 80's in
> its first restoration to operation. Not sure
> but last time I heard, it may be down for
> FRA work.

> JB

Yep, it's down for FRA work. Length of time will depend on the combination of resources -- funds for paid contractors and volunteers to do the work if we don't raise enough funds. Probably will be some combination in between.

We had a contractor remove the flues. And the engine is inside to get the non-A insulation removed so that the exterior of the boiler can be inspected.

Brian Norden

Orange Empire Railway Museum
bnorden49@earthlink.net

> Here are the Prairies listed in J. David
> Conrad's "bible" (caution, long
> list--better yet, buy a copy of Dave's
> book!) (any errors or mistranscriptions are
> undoubtedly mine, not his):

> Baldwin 1919
> Edmonton AB
> Industrial

> Baldwin 1914
> Sedgewick AB
> Industrial

> Montreal 1923
> Fort Steele BC
> Industrial

> Baldwin 1910
> Courtenay BC
> 2-6-2T
> Industrial

> Porter 1924
> Chemainus BC
> 2-6-2ST
> Industrial

> Baldwin 1923
> Beavercove BC
> 2-6-2T
> Industrial

> Baldwin 1910
> Squamish BC
> 2-6-2T&T
> Industrial

> Baldwin 1925
> Essex CT
> Sumpter & Choctaw 103.

> Baldwin 1913
> Bradenton FL
> Industrial

> Baldwin 1917
> Port St. Joe FL
> Industrial

> Baldwin 1920
> Leesburg FL
> Industrial

> Baldwin 1914
> Zolfo Springs FL
> Industrial

> Davenport 1918
> Fort Benning GA
> 2-6-2ST
> US Army 5227.

> Porter 1921
> Griffen GA
> Industrial

> Baldwin 1925
> Paris KY
> Caddo & Choctaw 11.
> Reader 11.

> Vulcan 1927
> Stone Mountain GA
> Industrial

> Baldwin 1919
> Monee IL
> Industrial

> Porter 1925
> Monee IL
> 2-6-2T
> Industrial

> Baldwin 1914
> Monee IL
> Industrial

> Baldwin 1920
> Monee IL
> Industrial

> Baldwin 1924
> Union IL
> Tuskegee 101.

> Baldwin 1919
> Connersville IN
> Industrial

> Baldwin 1916
> Nahma MI
> Nahma & Northern 5.

> Baldwin 1916
> Ontonagon MI
> Industrial

> Baldwin 1920
> North Conway NH
> Industrial
> Reader 108.

> Baldwin 1926
> Wolfeboro NH
> Bonhomie & Hattiesburg 250.

> Baldwin 1920
> Farmingdale NJ
> Surry, Sussex & Southern 26.

> Baldwin 1912
> Glen Falls NY
> Industrial

> Porter 1897
> Cleveland OH
> Industrial

> Lima 1910
> Cleveland OH
> Industrial

> Burnham 1909
> Dillsburg PA
> Industrial

> Baldwin 1914
> Scranton PA
> Industrial

> Burnham 1901
> North Lake WI
> McCloud River 9.
> Yreka Western 9.

> Vulcan 1916
> Laona WI
> Fairchild & Northeastern 12.
> Laona/Northern RY 12.

> Lima 1907
> Yakutat AK
> Yakutat & Southern 2.

> Baldwin 1913
> Reader AR
> Industrial

> Burnham 1907
> Reader AR
> Victoria, Fisher & W. 7.

> Baldwin 1910
> Eureka CA
> Industrial

> Burnham 1901
> Ione CA
> McCloud River 8.
> Amador Central 7.

> Alco-Dic 1902
> Los Angeles CA
> Duluth, VA & Rainy L 13.

> Alco-S 1925
> McCloud CA
> McCloud River 25.

> Burnham 1907
> Newhall CA
> Industrial

> Baldwin 1922
> Perris CA

> Industrial
> Ventura County RR 2.

> Burnham 1907
> Portola CA
> Industrial

> Alco-S 1924
> Richmond CA
> 2-6-2ST
> Quincy RR 2.

> Baldwin 1922
> Richmond CA
> Sierra RY 30.
> Howard Terminal RY 6.

> CP Sacra 1882
> Richmond CA
> 2-6-2ST
> Central Pacific 233.
> SP 1903.

> Alco-S 1927
> Rio Vista CA
> 2-6-2T
> Industrial

> Burnham 1901
> Sacramento CA
> AT&SF 1010.

> Baldwin 1922
> Stockton CA
> Humboldt Northern 3.
> Stockton Terminal & 3.

> Baldwin 1924
> Willits CA
> 2-6-2ST
> Industrial
> CA Western 14.

> Burnham 1901
> La Junta CO

> AT&SF 1024.

> Burnham 1906
> Lamar CO
> AT&SF 1819.

> Baldwin 1920
> Atlantic IA
> Industrial
> Florida & Alabama 18.

> Baldwin 1928
> Mount Pleasant IA
> Kahului RR 12.
> Midwest Central 12.

> Burnham 1902
> Coffeyville KS
> AT&SF 1079.

> Burnham 1903
> Dodge City KS
> AT&SF 1139.

> Burnham 1901
> Emporia KS
> AT&SF 1015.

> Burnham 1902
> Independence KS
> AT&SF 1050.

> Burnham 1902
> Lawrence KS
> AT&SF 1073.

> Burnham 1907
> Newton KS
> AT&SF 1880.

> Burnham 1902
> Wellington KS
> AT&SF 1067.

> Baldwin 1927
> Monroe LA
> Industrial

> Porter 1911
> Annadale MN
> 2-6-2T
> Industrial

> Alco-B 1907
> Duluth MN
> NP 2435.

> Alco-C 1922
> Kansas City MO
> 2-6-2T
> Industrial

> Porter 1915
> Sparks NV
> Eureka Nevada RY 7.

> Burnham 1902
> Las Vegas NM
> AT&SF 1129.

> Burnham 1902
> Ardmore OK
> AT&SF 1108.

> Burnham 1902
> Blackwell OK
> AT&SF 1096.

> Baldwin 1912
> El Reno OK
> Klondike Mines RY 4.
> White Pass & Yukon 4.

> Baldwin 1917
> Tulsa OK
> TX, OK & Eastern 207.

> Baldwin 1923
> Banks OR
> 2-6-2ST
> Industrial

> Baldwin 1925
> Cottage Grove OR
> 2-6-2ST
> Industrial

> Baldwin 1925
> Cottage Grove OR
> Industrial

> Alco-C 1921
> Sutherlin OR
> Hetch Hetchy RR 5.

> Baldwin 1924
> Willamina OR
> San Joaquin & Easter 205.
> Santa Maria Valley 205.

> Baldwin 1919
> Hill City SD
> Industrial
> Caddo & Choctaw RR 7.

> Baldwin 1922
> Hill City SD
> 2-6-2T
> Industrial

> Baldwin 1926
> Hill City SD
> 2-6-2T
> Industrial

> Burnham 1902
> Brownwood TX
> AT&SF 1080.

> Baldwin 1920
> Galveston TX
> Industrial

> Baldwin 1923
> Lubbock TX

> CB&Q 4994.

> Burnham 1903
> Pineland TX
> AT&SF 1140.

> Burnham 1906
> Slaton TX
> AT&SF 1809.

> Baldwin 1920
> Snyder TX
> Industrial
> Roscoe, Snyder & Pac 5.

> Burnham 1908
> Heber City UT
> 2-6-2T
> Sacramento Valley & 2.

> Burnham 1906
> Hoquiam WA
> Industrial

> Baldwin 1928
> Newhalem WA
> Skagit RY 6.

> Baldwin 1910
> Snoqualmie WA
> 2-6-2T
> Industrial

Kevin: It was nice of you to take the time to list all of the 2-6-2's and an occassional mistake and the fact that the story on some of the engines has since changed, should be forgiven!

BTW, did 8300 ever move out to Iowa?

Les


midlandblb@cs.com

Burnham 1908
Heber City UT
2-6-2T
Sacramento Valley & 2

This locomtive was moved to the Nevada State Railroad Museum in Boulder City (along with most of the "old" Heber Creeper equipment) about 8 years ago.

davew833@yahoo.com

McCloud River went for prairies in a big way, eventually purchasing nine of them, five from Baldwin (4,8,9,10,and 11) and four from Alco (22,23,24,25). Three of these are preserved, two of them out west. The #9 operated until last year on the Kettle Moraine Scenic in Wisconsin. Haven't heard a definative disposition for that locomovtive. #9's twin, #8, is sitting on a pedastal at Ione, CA, with "Iron Ivan" on it. Both locomotives left McCloud in the 1930's. The #8 went to the Amador Central, where it served until retirement. The #9 went to the Yreka Western, then to the Amador Central, then to the Nezperce & Idaho, then to Mid-Continental museum in North Freedom, WI, then to Kettle Moraine.

The #25 was the last steamer on the McCloud. It's last fling before retirement was the excursions marking the completion and opening of the Burney extension in 1955. It came back to life about 1963 and operated in and out of excursion service until 1986. The new McCloud Railway bought the locomotive and had it back up and running by 1997. Heard that it failed a boiler inspection last year, and that the shop crews at McCloud were going to put off working on the locomotive until this past winter. Have heard nothing if it will be operated at all this coming summer (the road does have several steam excursions posted on their website, but they have been relying almost exclusively on 2-8-2 #18 for about a year now).

The Industrial 2-6-2 listed as being at Arcata/Eureka is the former Pacific Lumber #29. PALCO retired the locomotive after putting a significant amount of work into it. The machine spent a decade or two in the protection of the enginehouse at Samoa. PALCO donated the locomotive to the Northern Counties Logging Interpretive Association, a non-profit auxilary of the California State Park System, about 1986. The locomotive was stored for a while at the former Northwestern Pacific shops in Eureka while NCLIA and the bankrupt Eureka Southern railroad fought it out over transportation arrangements. Eventually the Eureka Southern agreed to move the locomotive and some log cars that PALCO also donated/sold to NCLIA from Eureka to the NCLIA storage yard at Glendale (east of Arcata, west of Blue Lake). The NCLIA storage yard is located on a former lumber yard parcel currently owned by Simpson Timber. Access to the yard was provided by the old Arcata & Mad River Railroad, which the Eureka Southern had purchased, re-habilitated, and was operating at the time. Shortly after the #29 was moved in several weakened bridges and a general lack of repair funds forced the EUKA to shut down the old Arcata & Mad River, and successor North Coast Railroad scrapped the A&MR trackage to help pay some bills about five years ago, leaving the #29 and a bunch of other NCLIA equipment stranded. Other locomotives at the site include a 3-truck Shay and a 2-8-2, both former Hammond Lumber: Arcata & Mad River 2-Truck shay #7; Bear Harbor Lumber 2-4-2T #2; a privately owned 2-truck Heisler; and a diesel built of the frame of a scrapped 2-truck Heisler. The storage site is generally not available to the public, mostly due to the Simpson ownership and other liability concerns (NCLIA members have to sign releases to get into the site). NCLIA started a fundraising campaign a few years back to get restore the #29. The group may get the former Hammond shop building in Samoa, and that would provide some much-needed protection for the equipment (the climate has not been nice to any of the locomotives at the site). Currently the NCLIA is deeply involved with many efforts underway in the area that eventually may lead to the establishment of a timber technology museum in the Eureka area, complete with steam-powered excursion trains on the old Northwestern Pacific/Eureka Southern/North Coast/Northwestern Pacific trackage around Humboldt Bay.

jamoore@elko.net

> PALCO donated the locomotive to the Northern
> Counties Logging Interpretive Association, a
> non-profit auxilary of the California State
> Park System, about 1986.

> Other locomotives at the site include a
> 3-truck Shay and a 2-8-2, both former
> Hammond Lumber: Arcata & Mad River
> 2-Truck shay #7; Bear Harbor Lumber 2-4-2T
> #2; a privately owned 2-truck Heisler; and a
> diesel built of the frame of a scrapped
> 2-truck Heisler. The storage site is
> generally not available to the public,
> mostly due to the Simpson ownership and
> other liability concerns (NCLIA members have
> to sign releases to get into the site).

One of my "Surviving World Steam Locomotive" users obtained access to the site to take photographs for my database. He took pictures of most of the locomotives mentioned above (including the diesel conversion).

The program CD-ROM contains a picture of Bear Harbor 2-4-2T #2, and most of the other pictures were released in subsequent updates.

While none are great looking (the Bear Harbor engine is worst, not much more than a boiler shell and chassis), most are in decent shape; better than some other "preserved" locomotives I have seen. It will be great if they can moved from their current landlocked location, and placed under cover.

-James Hefner
Hebrews 10:20a

Surviving World Steam Locomotives
james1@pernet.net