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Author: | C.Wylde [ Tue Mar 12, 2002 12:56 am ] |
Post subject: | Prairie type Locos out West |
Can anyone tell me if there are any Prairie type locomotives preserved a.) operational b.) static in California? or even in the Western U.S? Thanks wyld@oc-net.com |
Author: | ESinclair [ Tue Mar 12, 2002 1:21 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Prairie type Locos out West |
There are several A.T.& S.F. 2-6-2 types. However, the first one that comes to mind is the Santa Fe 1010 at CSRM in Sacramento, Ca. edwinsinclair@hotmail.com |
Author: | Howard [ Tue Mar 12, 2002 10:14 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Prairie type Locos out West |
> Can anyone tell me if there are any Prairie > type locomotives preserved a.) operational > b.) static in California? or even in the > Western U.S? The Pacific Locomotive Association (http://www.ncry.org/) has 3 of them. Qunicy #2, Robert Dollar #3 and Howard Terminal #30 (Sierra Railway #30). Both the #2 and #3 are undergoing heavy overhaul but the #2 should be back in service this summer. Southern Pacific Black Widow GP9 sp5623@earthlink.net |
Author: | Howard [ Tue Mar 12, 2002 10:16 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Prairie type Locos out West |
> The Pacific Locomotive Association > (http://www.ncry.org/) has 3 of them. Qunicy > #2, Robert Dollar #3 and Howard Terminal #30 > (Sierra Railway #30). That should be Howard Terminal #6. Proofread, proofread. Southern Pacific Black Widow GP9 sp5623@earthlink.net |
Author: | Kevin McCabe [ Tue Mar 12, 2002 1:23 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Prairie type Locos out West |
> Can anyone tell me if there are any Prairie > type locomotives preserved a.) operational > b.) static in California? or even in the > Western U.S? > Thanks Here are the Prairies listed in J. David Conrad's "bible" (caution, long list--better yet, buy a copy of Dave's book!) (any errors or mistranscriptions are undoubtedly mine, not his): Baldwin 1919 Edmonton AB Industrial Baldwin 1914 Sedgewick AB Industrial Montreal 1923 Fort Steele BC Industrial Baldwin 1910 Courtenay BC 2-6-2T Industrial Porter 1924 Chemainus BC 2-6-2ST Industrial Baldwin 1923 Beavercove BC 2-6-2T Industrial Baldwin 1910 Squamish BC 2-6-2T&T Industrial Baldwin 1925 Essex CT Sumpter & Choctaw 103. Baldwin 1913 Bradenton FL Industrial Baldwin 1917 Port St. Joe FL Industrial Baldwin 1920 Leesburg FL Industrial Baldwin 1914 Zolfo Springs FL Industrial Davenport 1918 Fort Benning GA 2-6-2ST US Army 5227. Porter 1921 Griffen GA Industrial Baldwin 1925 Paris KY Caddo & Choctaw 11. Reader 11. Vulcan 1927 Stone Mountain GA Industrial Baldwin 1919 Monee IL Industrial Porter 1925 Monee IL 2-6-2T Industrial Baldwin 1914 Monee IL Industrial Baldwin 1920 Monee IL Industrial Baldwin 1924 Union IL Tuskegee 101. Baldwin 1919 Connersville IN Industrial Baldwin 1916 Nahma MI Nahma & Northern 5. Baldwin 1916 Ontonagon MI Industrial Baldwin 1920 North Conway NH Industrial Reader 108. Baldwin 1926 Wolfeboro NH Bonhomie & Hattiesburg 250. Baldwin 1920 Farmingdale NJ Surry, Sussex & Southern 26. Baldwin 1912 Glen Falls NY Industrial Porter 1897 Cleveland OH Industrial Lima 1910 Cleveland OH Industrial Burnham 1909 Dillsburg PA Industrial Baldwin 1914 Scranton PA Industrial Burnham 1901 North Lake WI McCloud River 9. Yreka Western 9. Vulcan 1916 Laona WI Fairchild & Northeastern 12. Laona/Northern RY 12. Lima 1907 Yakutat AK Yakutat & Southern 2. Baldwin 1913 Reader AR Industrial Burnham 1907 Reader AR Victoria, Fisher & W. 7. Baldwin 1910 Eureka CA Industrial Burnham 1901 Ione CA McCloud River 8. Amador Central 7. Alco-Dic 1902 Los Angeles CA Duluth, VA & Rainy L 13. Alco-S 1925 McCloud CA McCloud River 25. Burnham 1907 Newhall CA Industrial Baldwin 1922 Perris CA Industrial Ventura County RR 2. Burnham 1907 Portola CA Industrial Alco-S 1924 Richmond CA 2-6-2ST Quincy RR 2. Baldwin 1922 Richmond CA Sierra RY 30. Howard Terminal RY 6. CP Sacra 1882 Richmond CA 2-6-2ST Central Pacific 233. SP 1903. Alco-S 1927 Rio Vista CA 2-6-2T Industrial Burnham 1901 Sacramento CA AT&SF 1010. Baldwin 1922 Stockton CA Humboldt Northern 3. Stockton Terminal & 3. Baldwin 1924 Willits CA 2-6-2ST Industrial CA Western 14. Burnham 1901 La Junta CO AT&SF 1024. Burnham 1906 Lamar CO AT&SF 1819. Baldwin 1920 Atlantic IA Industrial Florida & Alabama 18. Baldwin 1928 Mount Pleasant IA Kahului RR 12. Midwest Central 12. Burnham 1902 Coffeyville KS AT&SF 1079. Burnham 1903 Dodge City KS AT&SF 1139. Burnham 1901 Emporia KS AT&SF 1015. Burnham 1902 Independence KS AT&SF 1050. Burnham 1902 Lawrence KS AT&SF 1073. Burnham 1907 Newton KS AT&SF 1880. Burnham 1902 Wellington KS AT&SF 1067. Baldwin 1927 Monroe LA Industrial Porter 1911 Annadale MN 2-6-2T Industrial Alco-B 1907 Duluth MN NP 2435. Alco-C 1922 Kansas City MO 2-6-2T Industrial Porter 1915 Sparks NV Eureka Nevada RY 7. Burnham 1902 Las Vegas NM AT&SF 1129. Burnham 1902 Ardmore OK AT&SF 1108. Burnham 1902 Blackwell OK AT&SF 1096. Baldwin 1912 El Reno OK Klondike Mines RY 4. White Pass & Yukon 4. Baldwin 1917 Tulsa OK TX, OK & Eastern 207. Baldwin 1923 Banks OR 2-6-2ST Industrial Baldwin 1925 Cottage Grove OR 2-6-2ST Industrial Baldwin 1925 Cottage Grove OR Industrial Alco-C 1921 Sutherlin OR Hetch Hetchy RR 5. Baldwin 1924 Willamina OR San Joaquin & Easter 205. Santa Maria Valley 205. Baldwin 1919 Hill City SD Industrial Caddo & Choctaw RR 7. Baldwin 1922 Hill City SD 2-6-2T Industrial Baldwin 1926 Hill City SD 2-6-2T Industrial Burnham 1902 Brownwood TX AT&SF 1080. Baldwin 1920 Galveston TX Industrial Baldwin 1923 Lubbock TX CB&Q 4994. Burnham 1903 Pineland TX AT&SF 1140. Burnham 1906 Slaton TX AT&SF 1809. Baldwin 1920 Snyder TX Industrial Roscoe, Snyder & Pac 5. Burnham 1908 Heber City UT 2-6-2T Sacramento Valley & 2. Burnham 1906 Hoquiam WA Industrial Baldwin 1928 Newhalem WA Skagit RY 6. Baldwin 1910 Snoqualmie WA 2-6-2T Industrial Kevinmccabe@avenew.com |
Author: | Richard Wilkens [ Tue Mar 12, 2002 1:52 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Prairie type Locos out West |
The list is out of date for two of the 2-6-2 engines listed under Washington State. Ex-Polson Logging #45 / ex-Rayonier Inc. #45 listed at Hoquiam is at Mt. Rainier Scenic. The 2-6-2T listed under Snoqualmie is ex- Port of Olympia #2 and is either at Mt. Rainier Scenic or California now. Skagit River Railway #6 is still at Newhalem off of Hwy. 20. Richard Wilkens > Here are the Prairies listed in J. David > Conrad's "bible" (caution, long > list--better yet, buy a copy of Dave's > book!) (any errors or mistranscriptions are > undoubtedly mine, not his): > Burnham 1906 > Hoquiam WA > Industrial > Baldwin 1928 > Newhalem WA > Skagit RY 6. > Baldwin 1910 > Snoqualmie WA > 2-6-2T > Industrial |
Author: | Don C. [ Tue Mar 12, 2002 2:21 pm ] |
Post subject: | Vandalized ex-CB&Q #4994 |
> The list is out of date for two of the 2-6-2 > engines listed under Washington State. > Ex-Polson Logging #45 / ex-Rayonier Inc. #45 > listed at Hoquiam is at Mt. Rainier Scenic. > The 2-6-2T listed under Snoqualmie is ex- > Port of Olympia #2 and is either at Mt. > Rainier Scenic or California now. Skagit > River Railway #6 is still at Newhalem off of > Hwy. 20. > Richard Wilkens Kevin, When did the "vandals" remove a set of drivers out from under ex-CB&Q #4994? Last thing I knew, she was still a 2-8-2 like the #4963 at Union, IL. Don C. old_fxrs@msn.com |
Author: | Kevin McCabe [ Tue Mar 12, 2002 3:33 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Vandalized ex-CB&Q #4994 |
> Kevin, > When did the "vandals" remove a > set of drivers out from under ex-CB&Q > #4994? Last thing I knew, she was still a > 2-8-2 like the #4963 at Union, IL. > Don C. As I said, any errors are mine. Kevinmccabe@avenew.com |
Author: | Jeff B [ Tue Mar 12, 2002 3:34 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Prairie type Locos out West *PIC* |
> Can anyone tell me if there are any Prairie > type locomotives preserved a.) operational > b.) static in California? or even in the > Western U.S? Orange Empire Railway Museum has operational 2-6-2 Prairie type number 2 former Ventura County Railroad built by Baldwin in 1922. I worked on this lokie in the early 80's in its first restoration to operation. Not sure but last time I heard, it may be down for FRA work. JB VC #2 ![]() btflco@aol.com |
Author: | Brian Fritz [ Tue Mar 12, 2002 5:12 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Prairie type Locos out West *PIC* |
> The list is out of date for two of the 2-6-2 > engines listed under Washington State. > Ex-Polson Logging #45 / ex-Rayonier Inc. #45 > listed at Hoquiam is at Mt. Rainier Scenic. > The 2-6-2T listed under Snoqualmie is ex- > Port of Olympia #2 and is either at Mt. > Rainier Scenic or California now. Skagit > River Railway #6 is still at Newhalem off of > Hwy. 20. Rich, The PoO 2 is now lettered "Mason County Logging Co. 7" and was trucked back to Willits CA after it's restoration at the Mt. Rainier Scenic RR's shops last year. There are photos of the #7 taken at last year's steam up on my website with the also newly restored 2-truck Heisler, Curtis Lumber Co #2 (formerly known as Vancouver Plywood #2). The #2 sat for years at Jack Roger's museum at Ashford. It was restored in parallel with the #7 and is also privately owned. It is currently at Mineral. Serious consideration was given to restoring Rayonier 2-6-2 #45 to operation this year, but the decision was made to start work on Rayonier 2-8-2 #70 instead. Brian Washington Steam Railroads and Locomotives ![]() brianfr@speakeasy.org |
Author: | Brian Norden [ Tue Mar 12, 2002 11:24 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Prairie type Locos out West |
> Orange Empire Railway Museum has operational > 2-6-2 Prairie type number 2 former Ventura > County Railroad built by Baldwin in 1922. I > worked on this lokie in the early 80's in > its first restoration to operation. Not sure > but last time I heard, it may be down for > FRA work. > JB Yep, it's down for FRA work. Length of time will depend on the combination of resources -- funds for paid contractors and volunteers to do the work if we don't raise enough funds. Probably will be some combination in between. We had a contractor remove the flues. And the engine is inside to get the non-A insulation removed so that the exterior of the boiler can be inspected. Brian Norden Orange Empire Railway Museum bnorden49@earthlink.net |
Author: | L Beckman [ Wed Mar 13, 2002 10:26 pm ] |
Post subject: | 2-6-2 Prairie list and an 0-8-0 question. |
> Here are the Prairies listed in J. David > Conrad's "bible" (caution, long > list--better yet, buy a copy of Dave's > book!) (any errors or mistranscriptions are > undoubtedly mine, not his): > Baldwin 1919 > Edmonton AB > Industrial > Baldwin 1914 > Sedgewick AB > Industrial > Montreal 1923 > Fort Steele BC > Industrial > Baldwin 1910 > Courtenay BC > 2-6-2T > Industrial > Porter 1924 > Chemainus BC > 2-6-2ST > Industrial > Baldwin 1923 > Beavercove BC > 2-6-2T > Industrial > Baldwin 1910 > Squamish BC > 2-6-2T&T > Industrial > Baldwin 1925 > Essex CT > Sumpter & Choctaw 103. > Baldwin 1913 > Bradenton FL > Industrial > Baldwin 1917 > Port St. Joe FL > Industrial > Baldwin 1920 > Leesburg FL > Industrial > Baldwin 1914 > Zolfo Springs FL > Industrial > Davenport 1918 > Fort Benning GA > 2-6-2ST > US Army 5227. > Porter 1921 > Griffen GA > Industrial > Baldwin 1925 > Paris KY > Caddo & Choctaw 11. > Reader 11. > Vulcan 1927 > Stone Mountain GA > Industrial > Baldwin 1919 > Monee IL > Industrial > Porter 1925 > Monee IL > 2-6-2T > Industrial > Baldwin 1914 > Monee IL > Industrial > Baldwin 1920 > Monee IL > Industrial > Baldwin 1924 > Union IL > Tuskegee 101. > Baldwin 1919 > Connersville IN > Industrial > Baldwin 1916 > Nahma MI > Nahma & Northern 5. > Baldwin 1916 > Ontonagon MI > Industrial > Baldwin 1920 > North Conway NH > Industrial > Reader 108. > Baldwin 1926 > Wolfeboro NH > Bonhomie & Hattiesburg 250. > Baldwin 1920 > Farmingdale NJ > Surry, Sussex & Southern 26. > Baldwin 1912 > Glen Falls NY > Industrial > Porter 1897 > Cleveland OH > Industrial > Lima 1910 > Cleveland OH > Industrial > Burnham 1909 > Dillsburg PA > Industrial > Baldwin 1914 > Scranton PA > Industrial > Burnham 1901 > North Lake WI > McCloud River 9. > Yreka Western 9. > Vulcan 1916 > Laona WI > Fairchild & Northeastern 12. > Laona/Northern RY 12. > Lima 1907 > Yakutat AK > Yakutat & Southern 2. > Baldwin 1913 > Reader AR > Industrial > Burnham 1907 > Reader AR > Victoria, Fisher & W. 7. > Baldwin 1910 > Eureka CA > Industrial > Burnham 1901 > Ione CA > McCloud River 8. > Amador Central 7. > Alco-Dic 1902 > Los Angeles CA > Duluth, VA & Rainy L 13. > Alco-S 1925 > McCloud CA > McCloud River 25. > Burnham 1907 > Newhall CA > Industrial > Baldwin 1922 > Perris CA > Industrial > Ventura County RR 2. > Burnham 1907 > Portola CA > Industrial > Alco-S 1924 > Richmond CA > 2-6-2ST > Quincy RR 2. > Baldwin 1922 > Richmond CA > Sierra RY 30. > Howard Terminal RY 6. > CP Sacra 1882 > Richmond CA > 2-6-2ST > Central Pacific 233. > SP 1903. > Alco-S 1927 > Rio Vista CA > 2-6-2T > Industrial > Burnham 1901 > Sacramento CA > AT&SF 1010. > Baldwin 1922 > Stockton CA > Humboldt Northern 3. > Stockton Terminal & 3. > Baldwin 1924 > Willits CA > 2-6-2ST > Industrial > CA Western 14. > Burnham 1901 > La Junta CO > AT&SF 1024. > Burnham 1906 > Lamar CO > AT&SF 1819. > Baldwin 1920 > Atlantic IA > Industrial > Florida & Alabama 18. > Baldwin 1928 > Mount Pleasant IA > Kahului RR 12. > Midwest Central 12. > Burnham 1902 > Coffeyville KS > AT&SF 1079. > Burnham 1903 > Dodge City KS > AT&SF 1139. > Burnham 1901 > Emporia KS > AT&SF 1015. > Burnham 1902 > Independence KS > AT&SF 1050. > Burnham 1902 > Lawrence KS > AT&SF 1073. > Burnham 1907 > Newton KS > AT&SF 1880. > Burnham 1902 > Wellington KS > AT&SF 1067. > Baldwin 1927 > Monroe LA > Industrial > Porter 1911 > Annadale MN > 2-6-2T > Industrial > Alco-B 1907 > Duluth MN > NP 2435. > Alco-C 1922 > Kansas City MO > 2-6-2T > Industrial > Porter 1915 > Sparks NV > Eureka Nevada RY 7. > Burnham 1902 > Las Vegas NM > AT&SF 1129. > Burnham 1902 > Ardmore OK > AT&SF 1108. > Burnham 1902 > Blackwell OK > AT&SF 1096. > Baldwin 1912 > El Reno OK > Klondike Mines RY 4. > White Pass & Yukon 4. > Baldwin 1917 > Tulsa OK > TX, OK & Eastern 207. > Baldwin 1923 > Banks OR > 2-6-2ST > Industrial > Baldwin 1925 > Cottage Grove OR > 2-6-2ST > Industrial > Baldwin 1925 > Cottage Grove OR > Industrial > Alco-C 1921 > Sutherlin OR > Hetch Hetchy RR 5. > Baldwin 1924 > Willamina OR > San Joaquin & Easter 205. > Santa Maria Valley 205. > Baldwin 1919 > Hill City SD > Industrial > Caddo & Choctaw RR 7. > Baldwin 1922 > Hill City SD > 2-6-2T > Industrial > Baldwin 1926 > Hill City SD > 2-6-2T > Industrial > Burnham 1902 > Brownwood TX > AT&SF 1080. > Baldwin 1920 > Galveston TX > Industrial > Baldwin 1923 > Lubbock TX > CB&Q 4994. > Burnham 1903 > Pineland TX > AT&SF 1140. > Burnham 1906 > Slaton TX > AT&SF 1809. > Baldwin 1920 > Snyder TX > Industrial > Roscoe, Snyder & Pac 5. > Burnham 1908 > Heber City UT > 2-6-2T > Sacramento Valley & 2. > Burnham 1906 > Hoquiam WA > Industrial > Baldwin 1928 > Newhalem WA > Skagit RY 6. > Baldwin 1910 > Snoqualmie WA > 2-6-2T > Industrial Kevin: It was nice of you to take the time to list all of the 2-6-2's and an occassional mistake and the fact that the story on some of the engines has since changed, should be forgiven! BTW, did 8300 ever move out to Iowa? Les midlandblb@cs.com |
Author: | Dave W [ Thu Mar 14, 2002 10:05 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: No Prarie in Heber, UT |
Burnham 1908 Heber City UT 2-6-2T Sacramento Valley & 2 This locomtive was moved to the Nevada State Railroad Museum in Boulder City (along with most of the "old" Heber Creeper equipment) about 8 years ago. davew833@yahoo.com |
Author: | JD Moore [ Fri Mar 15, 2002 1:34 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Prairie type Locos out West |
McCloud River went for prairies in a big way, eventually purchasing nine of them, five from Baldwin (4,8,9,10,and 11) and four from Alco (22,23,24,25). Three of these are preserved, two of them out west. The #9 operated until last year on the Kettle Moraine Scenic in Wisconsin. Haven't heard a definative disposition for that locomovtive. #9's twin, #8, is sitting on a pedastal at Ione, CA, with "Iron Ivan" on it. Both locomotives left McCloud in the 1930's. The #8 went to the Amador Central, where it served until retirement. The #9 went to the Yreka Western, then to the Amador Central, then to the Nezperce & Idaho, then to Mid-Continental museum in North Freedom, WI, then to Kettle Moraine. The #25 was the last steamer on the McCloud. It's last fling before retirement was the excursions marking the completion and opening of the Burney extension in 1955. It came back to life about 1963 and operated in and out of excursion service until 1986. The new McCloud Railway bought the locomotive and had it back up and running by 1997. Heard that it failed a boiler inspection last year, and that the shop crews at McCloud were going to put off working on the locomotive until this past winter. Have heard nothing if it will be operated at all this coming summer (the road does have several steam excursions posted on their website, but they have been relying almost exclusively on 2-8-2 #18 for about a year now). The Industrial 2-6-2 listed as being at Arcata/Eureka is the former Pacific Lumber #29. PALCO retired the locomotive after putting a significant amount of work into it. The machine spent a decade or two in the protection of the enginehouse at Samoa. PALCO donated the locomotive to the Northern Counties Logging Interpretive Association, a non-profit auxilary of the California State Park System, about 1986. The locomotive was stored for a while at the former Northwestern Pacific shops in Eureka while NCLIA and the bankrupt Eureka Southern railroad fought it out over transportation arrangements. Eventually the Eureka Southern agreed to move the locomotive and some log cars that PALCO also donated/sold to NCLIA from Eureka to the NCLIA storage yard at Glendale (east of Arcata, west of Blue Lake). The NCLIA storage yard is located on a former lumber yard parcel currently owned by Simpson Timber. Access to the yard was provided by the old Arcata & Mad River Railroad, which the Eureka Southern had purchased, re-habilitated, and was operating at the time. Shortly after the #29 was moved in several weakened bridges and a general lack of repair funds forced the EUKA to shut down the old Arcata & Mad River, and successor North Coast Railroad scrapped the A&MR trackage to help pay some bills about five years ago, leaving the #29 and a bunch of other NCLIA equipment stranded. Other locomotives at the site include a 3-truck Shay and a 2-8-2, both former Hammond Lumber: Arcata & Mad River 2-Truck shay #7; Bear Harbor Lumber 2-4-2T #2; a privately owned 2-truck Heisler; and a diesel built of the frame of a scrapped 2-truck Heisler. The storage site is generally not available to the public, mostly due to the Simpson ownership and other liability concerns (NCLIA members have to sign releases to get into the site). NCLIA started a fundraising campaign a few years back to get restore the #29. The group may get the former Hammond shop building in Samoa, and that would provide some much-needed protection for the equipment (the climate has not been nice to any of the locomotives at the site). Currently the NCLIA is deeply involved with many efforts underway in the area that eventually may lead to the establishment of a timber technology museum in the Eureka area, complete with steam-powered excursion trains on the old Northwestern Pacific/Eureka Southern/North Coast/Northwestern Pacific trackage around Humboldt Bay. jamoore@elko.net |
Author: | James D. Hefner [ Fri Mar 15, 2002 12:52 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Prairie type Locos out West |
> PALCO donated the locomotive to the Northern > Counties Logging Interpretive Association, a > non-profit auxilary of the California State > Park System, about 1986. > Other locomotives at the site include a > 3-truck Shay and a 2-8-2, both former > Hammond Lumber: Arcata & Mad River > 2-Truck shay #7; Bear Harbor Lumber 2-4-2T > #2; a privately owned 2-truck Heisler; and a > diesel built of the frame of a scrapped > 2-truck Heisler. The storage site is > generally not available to the public, > mostly due to the Simpson ownership and > other liability concerns (NCLIA members have > to sign releases to get into the site). One of my "Surviving World Steam Locomotive" users obtained access to the site to take photographs for my database. He took pictures of most of the locomotives mentioned above (including the diesel conversion). The program CD-ROM contains a picture of Bear Harbor 2-4-2T #2, and most of the other pictures were released in subsequent updates. While none are great looking (the Bear Harbor engine is worst, not much more than a boiler shell and chassis), most are in decent shape; better than some other "preserved" locomotives I have seen. It will be great if they can moved from their current landlocked location, and placed under cover. -James Hefner Hebrews 10:20a Surviving World Steam Locomotives james1@pernet.net |
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