The Lambertville car
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| Author: | Scott Kwiatkowski [ Fri Apr 09, 2010 6:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | CNJ Coach 1009 Info |
I am looking for the weight of CNJ #1009, 78 seat coach, built by American Car and Foundry, 1923. Thanks, Scott Kwiatkowski |
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| Author: | SZuiderveen [ Fri Apr 09, 2010 10:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CNJ Coach 1009 Info |
Scott, The sister Bethlehem Steel Car coaches for the Reading weighed 116,000 (1931 'Cyc). Your mileage may vary, OEM had battery boxes full of batteries and axle hung generators. I have a stock drawing of CNJ cars somewhere, just do not know where to find it. Steve |
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| Author: | limejuice [ Fri Apr 09, 2010 11:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CNJ Coach 1009 Info |
I think the Reading coaches were without clerestory roofs by the 30's, and I believe 1009 has the clerestory roof? Also, the older cars had mahogany paneling, and I don't think that was standard in the 30's either. Does 1009 have the wood interior? I'd guess these features might make a significant difference in weight. |
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| Author: | Howard P. [ Sat Apr 10, 2010 12:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CNJ Coach 1009 Info |
From the 1916 Car Builder's Cyc: CRR of NJ 810, built by Harlan & Hollingsworth, weight 115,800 lbs. This early version of the standard CNJ clerestory roof coach had a wide letterboard over the vestibule doors, and windows in the end sheets of the vestibules. The weight at 58 tons should be pretty accurate. Howard P. |
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| Author: | Scott Kwiatkowski [ Sat Apr 10, 2010 8:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CNJ Coach 1009 Info |
Guys, Thanks for the info. The car has a clerestory roof and seems to have a Masonite type of interior. How about the weight of the trucks,they are two axle? Thanks again, Scott |
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| Author: | Howard P. [ Sat Apr 10, 2010 9:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CNJ Coach 1009 Info |
CNJ clerestory roof coaches have four-wheel drop-equalized trucks, bolted pedestals, inside swing hangers. It's an all-steel truck and weighs about 16,000-17,000 lbs. per complete truck. The CNJ interiors were originally all mahogany, which CNJ painted over in lighter colors by the early 60s. A number of the cars on heritage railways have been restored to the original wood finished interiors. Personal note here: the first work I ever did on full-sized railroad equipment was interior stripping and refinishing on CNJ 1158 at Ringoes, summer 1969. Are you branching out from freight cars and SW-1s? Howard P. |
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| Author: | Scott Kwiatkowski [ Sat Apr 10, 2010 9:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CNJ Coach 1009 Info |
Howard, Thanks for the info. No not branching out, I am moving this car for our Trust. However, find me a PRR passenger car, not the P-70 1734 though and will kick the wheels. Scott |
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| Author: | Howard P. [ Sat Apr 10, 2010 9:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CNJ Coach 1009 Info |
Scott, I served my sentence on P-70s 30 years ago in Hagerstown. Jeepers, was it THAT long ago? The CNJ should not be too difficult to road-move. Is this the car in the jungle south of Lambertville station? Howard P. |
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| Author: | SZuiderveen [ Sat Apr 10, 2010 9:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CNJ Coach 1009 Info |
This is an ex-Steamtown Foundation car. I've probably worked on it. I'm wondering if it is from Scranton, or one from across the road from the CNJ 113? Steve |
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| Author: | Scott Kwiatkowski [ Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CNJ Coach 1009 Info |
This car was from Steamtown and is currently on the Bel-Del in P-burg. I did a route survey yesterday and it should be a strait shot to Flemington to the of-load spot. |
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| Author: | EDM [ Sun Apr 11, 2010 12:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CNJ Coach 1009 Info |
The CNJ South of Lambertville station is one of the round roof 1300s. Nothing left but a shell and trucks; I looked at it maybe ten years ago on behalf of a certain never-to-be dinner train... EDM Promises, promises, NJ |
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| Author: | o anderson [ Mon Apr 12, 2010 9:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CNJ Coach 1009 Info |
The Lambertville car http://www.flickr.com/photos/stanggt3/2181546541/ |
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| Author: | junior [ Tue Apr 13, 2010 12:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CNJ Coach 1009 Info |
I don't know what it is, but that car seems to be holding up very well considering its current and long standing condition. That is Comparing this car to say, those of the NH&I stored down in Wycombe (some of which haven't been out of service much longer than this car), this car looks to be still restorable within a decent cost. |
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| Author: | o anderson [ Tue Apr 13, 2010 2:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CNJ Coach 1009 Info |
There is also this railroad roof car in Lambertsville. A baggage car? 
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| Author: | CPR4000 [ Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CNJ Coach 1009 Info |
Yes, that's a New York Central 60-foot baggage car, located near the switch off the Bel-Del to the Flemington branch. A few years ago a crew removed many parts from the arch roof CNJ car, including most air brake components and the leaf springs from the trucks. Draft gear too, IIRC. I wonder if Conrail ever missed the 100-ton hopper that's parked with the coach? |
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