Help the people of East Stroudsburg! Lackawanna MP82

Higherspeedrailnow · **Joined:** Wed Aug 13, 2008 2:09 am **Posts:** 130

There is a drive to delay the tearing down of the 1864 Lackawanna Station in East Stroudsburg. I think the towns people should have a chance to save the building.

http://savedansburydepot.org/

Like one person said "What's the hurry?"

Stationary Steam · **Posted:** Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:19 am

Where were these people before the building was sold to the developer? Now it seems like the developer will extract a high asking price leaving no cash to actually restore the building with.

PCook · **Joined:** Sat Jul 02, 2005 7:16 am **Posts:** 2127

If a building has high historic value in the community, turning it into a restaurant is about the worst possible use you can make of it.

PC

Dave Crosby · **Posted:** Tue Jul 20, 2010 5:23 pm

Too Bad the "deep pockets" behind the DL&W 952 saga don't seem to be interested in this project.

Dave Crosby

Higherspeedrailnow · **Joined:** Wed Aug 13, 2008 2:09 am **Posts:** 130

PCook wrote:

If a building has high historic value in the community, turning it into a restaurant is about the worst possible use you can make of it.

PC

This rail corridor is one of the top travel corridors for passenger rail service in Pennsylvania. All this stuff about the past! Hey, I'm a big fan of the past. But what about the FUTURE? I am told there wasn't even a stop planned for the Delaware Water Gap area! Who makes these plans, or did this study,the bus lobby? Someday the trains will be back to New York stopping in the area again. This should be one of the places the train stops.

This depot was a Union Station, the Pennsylvania Railroad also had service to Trenton and Philadelphia. Also a big travel market to this day.

Higherspeedrailnow · **Joined:** Wed Aug 13, 2008 2:09 am **Posts:** 130

Stationary Steam wrote:

Where were these people before the building was sold to the developer? Now it seems like the developer will extract a high asking price leaving no cash to actually restore the building with.

You might be right. But I would guess everyone was just waiting and hopeing, I know I was.

eldiner · **Joined:** Mon Aug 23, 2004 8:39 am **Posts:** 534

Higherspeedrailnow wrote:

This depot was a Union Station, the Pennsylvania Railroad also had service to Trenton and Philadelphia. Also a big travel market to this day.

Technically, no. It was always a DL&W station. In addition to the PRR, the tiny Delaware Valley also used this station for their trains to Dingmans Ferry (they were trying to go to Port Jervis but never made it).

Jersey steam · **Posted:** Thu Jul 22, 2010 10:40 pm

Where can I get more information on the Delaware Valley Railroad? I have a history of Monroe County which shows a map and a photo of a #4 locomotive. Was there a 1, 2, and a 3 also? I also have a book which I cannot find which showed photos of the varoius stations along the line.

Did the railroad do any grading beyond the end of the line at Bushkill? Going along Rt 209 there appears to be a roadbed which appears very railroad like and not road like. Can anyone from the area verify this?

Is there a source of photos for rolling stock, locomotives, railroad structures and industries (like ice houses) along the line?

Does anybody have a switch by switch track plan of the railroad?

Bernie Perch

Alexander D. Mitchell IV · **Posted:** Fri Jul 23, 2010 10:47 am

Jersey steam wrote:

Where can I get more information on the Delaware Valley Railroad? I have a history of Monroe County which shows a map and a photo of a #4 locomotive. Was there a 1, 2, and a 3 also? I also have a book which I cannot find which showed photos of the various stations along the line.

Did the railroad do any grading beyond the end of the line at Bushkill? Going along Rt 209 there appears to be a roadbed which appears very railroad like and not road like. Can anyone from the area verify this?

Is there a source of photos for rolling stock, locomotives, railroad structures and industries (like ice houses) along the line?

Does anybody have a switch by switch track plan of the railroad?

From Thomas Taber III's Railroads of Pennsylvania Encyclopedia and Atlas:

Company originally planned as an electric railway in 1894, Stroudsburg to Port Jervis; reincorporated 7-27-1895 as Delaware Valley Railway, acquired right to 1894 East Stroudsburg & Matamoras RR in April 1897, no track built, merged 10-1899 with foreclosed 1897 Delaware Valley, Hudson & Lehigh (Wind Gap-Matamoras, also never built) to form
Delaware Valley RR, built East Stroudsburg-Bushkill Falls, 12 miles, opened 1901, traffic summer vacationers from NYC, agriculture & lumber (mine props & ties), foreclosed 11-10-1903, reorganized as

Delaware Valley Railway 1-1-1904. Abandonment authorized 5-13-1937 and tracks removed.

Roster:
1 4-4-0 Kingsland 1878 ex DL&W 447, returned to DL&W 1903
4 4-4-0 Cooke 1884 #1582 ex-Bangor & Portland 4, acq 1903, later re# 2 by DV, scrapped
20 4-4-0 Rogers 1892 #4718, ex-NYS&W 20, acq 1910, scrapped ca. 1923
23 4-4-0 Rogers 1894 #4982 ex-NYS&W 23 acq ca. 1923, returned to NYSW 1926, became Erie 405
902 4-4-0 Dickson 1882 #328 ex-DL&W 902, acq 1926, used for ca. 2 yrs then stored, scr ca. 1933.
? 0-4-0 Plymouth 25-ton 1928 #2861 bought 9, gasoline, used for carload freight, disposed of 1937 to Amherst Barge Lines.

A photo of DV #20 from the Joseph Lavelle collection graces one of the photo pages in the book--convert Sierra RR #3 to a 4-4-0 and you have the basic idea.

Jersey steam · **Posted:** Fri Jul 23, 2010 10:57 am

Alexander,

Thanx, that is one book I don't have and should get, living here in Pennsylvania. I appreciate all the information.

Can anyone answer the other questions?

Bernie

eldiner · **Joined:** Mon Aug 23, 2004 8:39 am **Posts:** 534

In the risk of going off topic, here is a DV passenger timetable:

Somewhere I also have a Christmas tree tariff.

Today the only thing left is the Marshall's Creek station - in pretty decent shape.

Jersey steam · **Posted:** Fri Jul 23, 2010 1:41 pm

Thank you again, I am the one who went off topic, but saw this an an opportunity to try and get more information on the railroad. As far as I am concerned, there is very little known about it.

Bernie

steamtown observer · **Joined:** Mon Oct 25, 2004 3:11 pm **Posts:** 371

Several new twists - an injunction against demolition plus a denial of a previous offer by the new owner:

http://www.poconorecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100723/NEWS/100729917

o anderson · **Posted:** Sat Jul 24, 2010 1:25 am

Is it just me, or does that station look a lot like the prototype for the AHM HO scale small town station we all have had for 40 years or so.

isaksenj · **Posted:** Sun Jul 25, 2010 3:36 pm

The Pocono Record is reporting that the owner of the Pocono Raceway has pledged $500,000 toward reconstruction of the East Stroudsburg station:

http://www.poconorecord.com/apps/pbcs.d ... /100729906