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 Post subject: Locomotive ownership proof
PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 11:00 pm 

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Major railroads apparently register the purchase of new locomotives with the ICC (or STB). Do any museums or historical societies register locomotive transactions or ownership or is a Bill of Sale good enough?
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 Post subject: Re: Locomotive ownership proof
PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 10:02 am 

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Well, first off, do locomotives and rail cars , especially old ones, have titles?

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 Post subject: Re: Locomotive ownership proof
PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 10:19 am 

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Titles are not necessary unless the government wants control in case you do not pay a tax or license fee, i.e. sales tax on a vehicle. A bill of sale is your proof of ownership, you used to register equipment trusts under the old ICC for accounting purposes, not sure if that still applies with the STB. The only registration I am aware of is UMLER, and only if you plan to move your equipment over the general railroad system.


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 Post subject: Re: Locomotive ownership proof
PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 10:34 am 

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The best laugh I had along these lines was the time I rang up a friend of mine after hearing some rumors, and said, "So, [name], do you want to confirm or deny that you now own [particular diesel]?"

"Well, that depends. Do you want to make me an offer for it or hand me an overdue bill?"


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 Post subject: Re: Locomotive ownership proof
PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 11:17 am 

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Mike Tillger wrote:
Titles are not necessary unless the government wants control in case you do not pay a tax or license fee, i.e. sales tax on a vehicle.


Yes Mike, I am certain that's the whole reason they exist and are used.

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 Post subject: Re: Locomotive ownership proof
PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 1:36 pm 

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Mike Tillger wrote:
Titles are not necessary unless the government wants control in case you do not pay a tax or license fee, i.e. sales tax on a vehicle. A bill of sale is your proof of ownership, you used to register equipment trusts under the old ICC for accounting purposes, not sure if that still applies with the STB. The only registration I am aware of is UMLER, and only if you plan to move your equipment over the general railroad system.



It still applies under the STB. The process seems to be well explained here:

http://www.natlawreview.com/article/what-does-surface-transportation-board-stb-filing-tell-you

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