I cannot say for the numberboard, but the side numbers are either Regular Helvetica or Medium Helvetica.
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| Author: | F40PHR231 [ Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Amtrak SDP40F cab and font questions |
Well gang, I've come to you again for guidance. Are there any color photos around that show the interior of the SDP40Fs when they wore Phase I? I am trying to determine what color the cabs were painted in when they were built. Secondly, does anyone have the font name and dimensions for the numberboard of Phase I SDP40Fs, like the one in this photo?: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=528424 -- How about the number placed on the sides of the Phase 1-painted carbody? Thanks for any info! |
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| Author: | SZuiderveen [ Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Amtrak SDP40F cab and font questions |
I cannot say for the numberboard, but the side numbers are either Regular Helvetica or Medium Helvetica. Attachment: 9959_1254200844.jpg [ 17.19 KiB | Viewed 14338 times ] Steve |
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| Author: | MRLX1020 [ Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:17 pm ] | ||
| Post subject: | Re: Amtrak SDP40F cab and font questions | ||
Chris: I did some lettering earlier this year on an EMD geep the same vintage as the 644 and used Trebuchet MS lettering with a modified serif for the numberboards. Let me dig up a photo of the unit, but the lettering sample is attached below. Can't wait to see Rudolph the red nosed SDP40F! The signature on those units is the vinyl clad safety chain that made them appear to be smiling, as the 644 is in the attached photo. MRLX 1020
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| Author: | CPR4000 [ Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Amtrak SDP40F cab and font questions |
Hi Chris, I think the cab interiors were gray. In this photo: http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.p ... 33&nseq=16 You can see gray on the back wall through the door, and the dashboard by the windshields also looks gray. And in this one, even though it's not in delivery paint, the rear wall is definitely gray: http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.p ... 01&nseq=70 Walt Lankenau |
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| Author: | RiverMP21 [ Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Amtrak SDP40F cab and font questions |
MRLX1020 wrote: Chris: I did some lettering earlier this year on an EMD geep the same vintage as the 644 and used Trebuchet MS lettering with a modified serif for the numberboards. Let me dig up a photo of the unit, but the lettering sample is attached below. Can't wait to see Rudolph the red nosed SDP40F! The signature on those units is the vinyl clad safety chain that made them appear to be smiling, as the 644 is in the attached photo. MRLX 1020 That font is close, but is not an exact match. Note the upper portion of the 6 curves more back towards the bottom on the SDP40F photo. The 4s also have more width between the horizontal and diagonal strokes. I've gone through the same trouble trying to match fonts from logos and publications that I've scanned and attempted to clean up. |
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| Author: | F40PHR231 [ Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Amtrak SDP40F cab and font questions |
CPR4000 wrote: Hi Chris, I think the cab interiors were gray. In this photo: http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.p ... 33&nseq=16 You can see gray on the back wall through the door, and the dashboard by the windshields also looks gray. And in this one, even though it's not in delivery paint, the rear wall is definitely gray: http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.p ... 01&nseq=70 Walt Lankenau I'm not sure about the gray. That wall may have a hint of seafoam green, and it's especially difficult to tell from photos taken at a distance. Different film speeds and photographer types can present the wrong type of hue or color level. I've found seafoam green to be the base coat during last week's paint prep. The question is, was that Amtrak's base coat or Santa Fe's base coat? I'm assuming that the entire cab was redone when EMD converted these for Santa Fe, and again when Santa Fe rebuilt them. |
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| Author: | F40PHR231 [ Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Amtrak SDP40F cab and font questions |
MRLX1020 wrote: Chris: I did some lettering earlier this year on an EMD geep the same vintage as the 644 and used Trebuchet MS lettering with a modified serif for the numberboards. Let me dig up a photo of the unit, but the lettering sample is attached below. Can't wait to see Rudolph the red nosed SDP40F! The signature on those units is the vinyl clad safety chain that made them appear to be smiling, as the 644 is in the attached photo. MRLX 1020 Not bad! The 4 almost looks close to the original, but the 6 definitely needs some work. The "closed circle" part of the 6 needs to be smaller and lower, with the upper part arcing further to the right. But this is a start... |
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| Author: | F40PHR231 [ Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Amtrak SDP40F cab and font questions |
SZuiderveen wrote: I cannot say for the numberboard, but the side numbers are either Regular Helvetica or Medium Helvetica. Attachment: 9959_1254200844.jpg Steve Yeah, looks to be Helvetica. At least that font's easy to find and use. ;) |
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| Author: | Jdelhaye [ Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Amtrak SDP40F cab and font questions |
F40PHR231 wrote: CPR4000 wrote: Hi Chris, I think the cab interiors were gray. In this photo: http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.p ... 33&nseq=16 You can see gray on the back wall through the door, and the dashboard by the windshields also looks gray. And in this one, even though it's not in delivery paint, the rear wall is definitely gray: http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.p ... 01&nseq=70 Walt Lankenau I'm not sure about the gray. That wall may have a hint of seafoam green, and it's especially difficult to tell from photos taken at a distance. Different film speeds and photographer types can present the wrong type of hue or color level. I've found seafoam green to be the base coat during last week's paint prep. The question is, was that Amtrak's base coat or Santa Fe's base coat? I'm assuming that the entire cab was redone when EMD converted these for Santa Fe, and again when Santa Fe rebuilt them. Gray with a hint of "seafoam green" sounds much like a color EMD refers to as "Suede Gray", often used to pant cab interiors, as well as almost anything and everything under the hood...(mmm... cowl in this case!) Jeff |
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| Author: | F40PHR231 [ Sat Jan 22, 2011 4:37 am ] | ||
| Post subject: | Re: Amtrak SDP40F cab and font questions | ||
So, what does RYPN think of this? I used WhatTheFont (WTF) to upload an image and identify a matching font. It pointed me towards Churchward Designs Regular. CDR isn't quite the winner just yet, because while most of the numerals on there are a great match, the "0" and "1" numerals don't resemble what the SDP40Fs had. This might be due to this font being upgraded or modified since the 70s, the latest modification happened just a few years ago. If that's the case, then there's a good chance that this font was applied to SDP40F numberboards. I posted a thread on the font website asking for any further guidance. Otherwise, this font seems to be the best bet for new numberboards.
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| Author: | RCD [ Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Amtrak SDP40F cab and font questions |
It was green under Amtrak, can't find it now but when looking for public domain F40PH photos I came across a cab shot that I downloaded upon closer inspection I relised it was a SDP40F cab and it was green. |
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| Author: | CPR4000 [ Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Amtrak SDP40F cab and font questions |
The six looks dead on Chris, but the fours don't. Notice that the "triangle" in the fours on the locomotive look like 45-degree triangles, while those on your new font look like 30-60-90's. Walt |
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| Author: | Alexander D. Mitchell IV [ Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Amtrak SDP40F cab and font questions |
I mus say that although I laud and respect a concerted effort to ascertain historical accuracy in a restoration project such as this, anyone who wants to nit-pick the final result to the extent of saying "wrong" to what's put on the 644 automatically, by default, volunteers to procure the replacements and verify to everyone's satisfaction the improvement in accuracy. >:-) |
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| Author: | usaf_andrew [ Wed Jan 26, 2011 9:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Amtrak SDP40F cab and font questions |
So with Amtrak's recent announcement of Heritage units and a museum train tour, has Amtrak approached you about using this locomotive for their tour Chris? |
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| Author: | F40PHR231 [ Fri Jan 28, 2011 12:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Amtrak SDP40F cab and font questions |
usaf_andrew wrote: So with Amtrak's recent announcement of Heritage units and a museum train tour, has Amtrak approached you about using this locomotive for their tour Chris? Yes they have. Discussions began last April and continued to as late as last week. To keep a long story short: An arrangement couldn't be worked out because Amtrak cannot use their funds to pay for a restoration of a locomotive that they don't own. Now if railfans came together and pitched in $30,000 for a full restoration, then opportunities might present themselves. The bulk of the costs would go towards the nose restoration and the paint job. If the railfans want to see a restored SDP40F, they should contribute to it. |
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