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However, the museum is keeping the cab of the No. 200 Texas Limited and will move it inside the museum. Gould plans to purchase and install a train simulator to give visitors a chance to experience what it would be like to operate the machine.

“The patrons will be able to climb in the cab of the locomotive and operate the controls, and it’ll be just like running a real locomotive,” Gould said.

The museum is restoring two engines that are nearly identical to the Texas Limited. The new locomotives, from the Southern Pacific line, are from the same era as the Texas Limited and are scheduled to arrive at the museum in September or October.

If this had been the only Baldwin Shark or Centipede, it might have been saved......

So if it could not be repaired to run (and by that we really only mean too costly) it should be scrapped? Wow...that's an interesting position for a museum to take. I think it's a real shame considering these units' colorful history (especially their stint on the WAG). And as always, were they offered to other museums or anyone else? Oh well...they have some others on the way and maybe someday if things don't work out they can call in the scrappers again.

Steve

Wait a minute, wait a minute.......

Are you saying the roster info listed here:

http://www.galvestonrrmuseum.com/grrmnp_047.htm

is for the units inbound from CDOT, and NOT the ones that are being cut up?

Because, I'm sorry, I know something about 100 and 200 from their days on the MMID (we never understood why they went for those F's and didn't use the ones the MMID had already on site). The 100 and 200 shown in pictures being scrapped match the MMID/EnterTrainMent Line locos.

Elaborate, please.

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Not necessarily. The only remaining Akron, Canton & Youngstown Diesel (I can't remember which one, but it was the F-M that I think came from a CA mining operation) was part of that flood as well, and it probably will also be cut up. A real heartbreaker. That would leave Danville and Mt. Morris Ten Wheeler #304 at Steamtown as the last remaining AC&Y locomotive (as well as the oldest existing NKP locomotive)./quote]

Perhaps a call to a certain roundhouse owner in Ohio is in order, I believe there is a replica AC&Y boxcar in his fleet. Maybe he'd be interested in a AC&Y FM?

Author:	CREEPING DEATH [ Thu Jun 02, 2011 11:24 pm ]
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Storm-damaged former Southern Pacific #6309 & #6379 are being cut up in Galveston at the railroad museum. Museum info page: http://www.galvestonrrmuseum.com/grrmnp_047.htm Newspaper article: http://galvestondailynews.com/story/235614 Picture at: http://galvestondailynews.com/photograp ... ery/235614 I don't know why they're scrapping them, I don't think they ran before the storm, and the museum's rolling stock was all storm damaged. They had 12-15' of storm surge and resultant saltwater damage. CD

Author:	Alexander D. Mitchell IV [ Thu Jun 02, 2011 11:46 pm ]
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From the story: Quote: However, the museum is keeping the cab of the No. 200 Texas Limited and will move it inside the museum. Gould plans to purchase and install a train simulator to give visitors a chance to experience what it would be like to operate the machine. “The patrons will be able to climb in the cab of the locomotive and operate the controls, and it’ll be just like running a real locomotive,” Gould said. The museum is restoring two engines that are nearly identical to the Texas Limited. The new locomotives, from the Southern Pacific line, are from the same era as the Texas Limited and are scheduled to arrive at the museum in September or October. So it's not a complete loss. Having heard all about mud caked in a freshwater-flooded electric motor, I don't want to imagine how much work would be involved with a saltwater flooded diesel-electric. If this had been the only Baldwin Shark or Centipede, it might have been saved......

Author:	filmteknik [ Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:34 am ]
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So if it could not be repaired to run (and by that we really only mean too costly) it should be scrapped? Wow...that's an interesting position for a museum to take. I think it's a real shame considering these units' colorful history (especially their stint on the WAG). And as always, were they offered to other museums or anyone else? Oh well...they have some others on the way and maybe someday if things don't work out they can call in the scrappers again. Steve

Author:	traincrew [ Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:29 am ]
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We were there agout 5 years ago and as I remember and from photos we took. Both of the engines were in bad shape. But with the salt water flood-and we there a year after. Sometimes you just have to make those hard decisions. Train Crew

Author:	daylight4449 [ Fri Jun 03, 2011 7:12 am ]
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Maybe this is the reason that they bought those two CDOT F7s that were for sale at the Naugy. The pair that's en route are also southern pacific originals, so that would be a fair trade.

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Author:	PaulWWoodring [ Fri Jun 03, 2011 7:13 am ]
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Alexander D. Mitchell IV wrote: If this had been the only Baldwin Shark or Centipede, it might have been saved...... Not necessarily. The only remaining Akron, Canton & Youngstown Diesel (I can't remember which one, but it was the F-M that I think came from a CA mining operation) was part of that flood as well, and it probably will also be cut up. A real heartbreaker. That would leave Danville and Mt. Morris Ten Wheeler #304 at Steamtown as the last remaining AC&Y locomotive (as well as the oldest existing NKP locomotive).

Author:	PCook [ Fri Jun 03, 2011 7:14 am ]
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In scrapping a locomotive there are many opportunities to come up with interesting displays by saving components and assemblies and allowing the public to examine them much more closely than is possible in the assembled locomotive. The EMD 1947 open house where they had the complete machinery set of an F3, the roof hatches, and a fully equipped Blomberg truck, without the rest of the locomotive carbody is an example. A locomotive that can never run again is a potential display donor, but unfortunately the most interesting display items like the trucks and the prime mover are also very heavy, and that weight represents $$$$ lost if they do not get scrapped. At one time I thought it would be interesting if there were an article about all the cutaways and component displays the builders did for industry trade shows, to serve as a concept guide for museums. PC

Author:	Mount Royal [ Fri Jun 03, 2011 8:19 am ]
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filmteknik wrote: So if it could not be repaired to run (and by that we really only mean too costly) it should be scrapped? Wow...that's an interesting position for a museum to take. I think it's a real shame considering these units' colorful history (especially their stint on the WAG). And as always, were they offered to other museums or anyone else? Oh well...they have some others on the way and maybe someday if things don't work out they can call in the scrappers again. Steve The two precious WAG units are not being cut up. They are the replacements for the ones being cut up. They're going to get painted up as Santa Fe units and placed on display. There is even talk that they'll be running again. I'm not sure why they want them operational, though it would be nice. They only had one operating locomotive there before the hurricane and they have limited track to run on.

Author:	Alexander D. Mitchell IV [ Fri Jun 03, 2011 9:21 am ]
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Wait a minute, wait a minute....... Are you saying the roster info listed here: http://www.galvestonrrmuseum.com/grrmnp_047.htm is for the units inbound from CDOT, and NOT the ones that are being cut up? EDIT: Ooops, my boo-boo. Nothing to do with EnterTrainment/MMID.

Author:	Mount Royal [ Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:33 pm ]
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Alexander D. Mitchell IV wrote: Wait a minute, wait a minute....... Are you saying the roster info listed here: http://www.galvestonrrmuseum.com/grrmnp_047.htm is for the units inbound from CDOT, and NOT the ones that are being cut up? Because, I'm sorry, I know something about 100 and 200 from their days on the MMID (we never understood why they went for those F's and didn't use the ones the MMID had already on site). The 100 and 200 shown in pictures being scrapped match the MMID/EnterTrainMent Line locos. Elaborate, please. 100 and 200 are indeed being cut up. The CDOT units are taking their place.

Author:	Andrew Durden [ Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:37 pm ]
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Slightly off topic, what does the "fully restored" 80 tonner have under the hood(s)? Still the original Cummins HBI600's or something newer?

Author:	filmteknik [ Fri Jun 03, 2011 5:00 pm ]
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The presence of Motive Power and Equipment Solutions suggests that some parts will find new uses. Maybe they'll take the entire 567's. http://www.railequipmentsolutions.com/ Steve

Author:	Howard P. [ Fri Jun 03, 2011 5:19 pm ]
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It appears that all four of the F7s in question had a common ownership (Pinsly) and may have all served on the WAG at one time. 6690 & 6691 were the last two in use on the WAG and in 1979, were shipped out to GE for rebuilding into PATrain power. Howard P.

Author:	Mike LaBouliere [ Sat Jun 04, 2011 3:15 am ]
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[quote]Not necessarily. The only remaining Akron, Canton & Youngstown Diesel (I can't remember which one, but it was the F-M that I think came from a CA mining operation) was part of that flood as well, and it probably will also be cut up. A real heartbreaker. That would leave Danville and Mt. Morris Ten Wheeler #304 at Steamtown as the last remaining AC&Y locomotive (as well as the oldest existing NKP locomotive)./quote] Perhaps a call to a certain roundhouse owner in Ohio is in order, I believe there is a replica AC&Y boxcar in his fleet. Maybe he'd be interested in a AC&Y FM?

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Author:	daylight4449 [ Sat Jun 04, 2011 10:30 am ]
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Mike LaBouliere wrote: Quote: Not necessarily. The only remaining Akron, Canton & Youngstown Diesel (I can't remember which one, but it was the F-M that I think came from a CA mining operation) was part of that flood as well, and it probably will also be cut up. A real heartbreaker. That would leave Danville and Mt. Morris Ten Wheeler #304 at Steamtown as the last remaining AC&Y locomotive (as well as the oldest existing NKP locomotive)./quote] Perhaps a call to a certain roundhouse owner in Ohio is in order, I believe there is a replica AC&Y boxcar in his fleet. Maybe he'd be interested in a AC&Y FM? Well, keep the FM. Just give it a coat of protective paint (heck, anything will do. Graffiti would work well, but I'm not in the mood to hear how the FM was "vandalized" to keep it in good enough shape) to keep it protected from the elements until there is enough money raised to do a complete restoration.