Steam Loco 2-8-2 For Sale or Scrap

Scott Markloff · **Joined:** Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:03 am **Posts:** 48

Just in at RailSwap: http://railswap.org/cb/cl/classifieds.c ... =retrieval[/url]

Anyone know what loco this is? It's listed by a "CROSSTIES OF OCALA, INC".

Mike LaBouliere · **Posted:** Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:39 am

My guess is the Canadian Pacific one located in upstate New York. Was offered for sale a few months to a year back with a similar ultimatum.

alcoguy1 · **Posted:** Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:45 am

I suspect this is SP&S 539(I was wrong, see below), a 1917 graduate of Alco. She's been for sale for some time and supposedly is in good shape. It would be a shame for her to be lost this late in the game, but it isn't entirely unexpected. She's been put out to pasture(almost litterally) for a while now.

daylight4449 · **Posted:** Wed Jul 06, 2011 7:58 am

alcoguy1 wrote:

I suspect this is SP&S 539, a 1917 graduate of Alco. She's been for sale for some time and supposedly is in good shape. It would be a shame for her to be lost this late in the game, but it isn't entirely unexpected. She's been put out to pasture(almost litterally) for a while now.

Last I checked, that one isn't down south. I think she's at the Grand Canyon. Guess it was to help with more steam traffic on the line after it was traded to GCRY from Mt. Hood for the LS&I #18? Guess that never panned out though.

Alexander D. Mitchell IV · **Posted:** Wed Jul 06, 2011 8:26 am

If we are to believe the ad, it's been moved before lately, and weighs about 99 tons. That's too light for SP&S 539, and I doubt the Grand Canyon Ry. would be dumb enough to scrap that loco. Depending on whether tender is part of the equation, this is a small to mid-sized 2-8-2.

Just as a point of information, Frisco 2-8-2 1355, a 1912 Alco Schenectady graduate, is in Pensacola...... and is too heavy.....

There are four smaller 2-8-2's preserved in Georgia parks, all of which are about the right size.......

fjf5766 · **Posted:** Wed Jul 06, 2011 11:57 am

The answer to the mystery is probably to be found in this thread:

http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=31618

Fred F
ALCO tank mikado friend

Alexander D. Mitchell IV · **Posted:** Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:36 pm

And the weight cited is pretty much spot on for a complete Alco 2-8-2T with tank--sister Sugar Pine 37 (former Wawa & Concordville, Wilmington & Western) was listed in Conrad as 188,500 pounds total.....

wesp · **Posted:** Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:24 pm

http://steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive.cfm?Display=509

Dale Grice · **Joined:** Wed Jan 12, 2005 4:55 pm **Posts:** 86

Just talked to the gentlemen that is handling the sale of the loco. Loco is in central Florida. I didn't think to ask if it was in an RV park or not. But he is handling the sale and the property was going to be developed and turned into some attraction. Bank foreclosed, property sold to someone else. Now, the someone else wants it gone. So the story line got cut. He is not very knowledgeable about steam locos.

While I was talking to him, he was looking for identification marks. There are no builders plates. Has a Sharon coupler on the front. Frame cross member sounds like it has a casting number, starts with S. ALCO product?

He also has an ATSF tender that he has not listed yet. Griffin wheels, rusted out coal bunker.

He is going to send pictures. Will post some if there is interest and he is OK with it.

Dale Grice

cjvrr · **Posted:** Wed Jul 06, 2011 4:07 pm

And the big questions, what is his asking price?

Dave · **Posted:** Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:19 pm

And more to the point, how short is the fuse on the bomb of removal from the site?

dave

CREEPING DEATH · **Joined:** Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:22 pm **Posts:** 275

He added pictures:
http://railswap.org/cb/cl/classifieds.c ... =retrieval
And a tender (listed as a hopper):
http://railswap.org/cb/cl/classifieds.c ... =retrieval

CD

Jim Baker · **Posted:** Thu Jul 07, 2011 1:43 am

Well, the seller says it is Coos Bay Lumber #10. We, PSRM in Campo CA, own Coos Bay #11. From the one photo, it certainly looks like #11. #11 was the first on in an order of 3. I don't know why they numbered the first one 11, but according to the "Card Record" I have for #11, #11 was builders No. 68276. The card record is dated Dec. 18, 1929. The seller of #10 says it is builders no. 68548, built 1930. That makes sense. Both built by ALCO in Schenectady. According to the card record, nos. 10, 11, & 12 were identical, built to order #S1680. A number 9 was built later, but had a number of changes.

Also, several years ago I'd heard that #10 went to Midland RR in Kansas, and was later sold to become a display in front of a restaurant in Florida. And, I'd heard that they'd screwed it up. The photo shows a hand rail along the boiler. That certainly should not be there. This is a saddle tanker. The steps onto the running board don't look original either. Since there is also a tender, I'd suspect that the saddle tank was removed, and the tender placed behind the engine to make it look more "authentic."

As an aside, a few years ago, a forester at Plum Creek Timber, now logging on the old Coos Bay Lumber Co property found the card record and a complete set of ALCO blue prints for #10-11-12, and donated it to us. Also in the huge stack of stuff is a set for #9. We are presently in the midst of doing an ultrasound exam of #11's boiler to determine the feasibility of restoring it to operation.

Jim Baker, Steam foreman, PSRM

Stephen S. Syfrett · **Posted:** Thu Jul 07, 2011 12:07 pm

Fred F has it correct. This is the same 2-8-2 discussed in the thread just last month. Located in Williston, FL at an RV park.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=31618

According to that discussion the engine was being converted from a 2-8-2T to a tender locomotive.

Dale Grice · **Joined:** Wed Jan 12, 2005 4:55 pm **Posts:** 86

He says he has a ballpark scrap quote about 40k. And he says time is of the essence.

Dale