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After appearing at the NRM's Railfest 2012 (June 2-10) A3 No. 4472 Flying Scotsman entered the York museum's Works where the pipework, valve gear, and lubrication system received attention. Flying Scotsman was due to go back to Riley & Son (E) Ltd in Bury for completion of its overhaul by the end of July.
Work, confirmed by the NRM as needing to be undertaken at Bury, encompasses attention to the bogie which includes changing the bogie stretcher (a crack was apparent at Railfest although the NRM says this was an old stretcher with a replacement ready for fitting at Bury) and attention to the middle cylinder. The smokebox pipework and spark arrestor will be worked on at Riley's, where integrity tests will also be conducted on the superheater header and elements and the steam pipe.
The RM understands original plans for running in on the East Lancashire Railway remain on the agenda but at this stage the NRM says it is not possible to confirm any dates for completing Flying Scotsman: "The project management team is currently working on a comprehensive programme of works for the locomotive which, when complete, will help give a clearer idea of a timeline for the project," stated a post-Railfest release by the NRM office.

Author:	Mark Z. Yerkes [ Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:48 pm ]
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Any word on what's going on with this beauty? I know she was unveiled to the public in 2011, but a lot of issues were discovered after she was taken off display. Any updates?

Author:	daylight4449 [ Wed Mar 07, 2012 3:56 pm ]
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NRM set itself firm goals for the steam trials and first runs: http://www.heritagerailway.co.uk/news/f ... ates-named

Author:	car57 [ Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:45 pm ]
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More importantly in UP's 150th year, why is Challenger still not running.....of all the loco's to celebrate this huge anniversary ? Dave Tibbs

Author:	Mark Z. Yerkes [ Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:07 am ]
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Not sure, but that was not the question I asked for this post.

Author:	Zak Lybrand [ Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:24 am ]
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car57 wrote: More importantly in UP's 150th year, why is Challenger still not running.....of all the loco's to celebrate this huge anniversary ? Dave Tibbs What makes one locomotive more important than another? This news of the Flying Scotsman should be celebrated, not put down in favor of a "better" engine. It seems odd that you bring this up in a discussion about the Brit's beloved Scotsman.

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Author:	car57 [ Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:05 am ]
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Apologies for the poor wording and the Challenger post on behalf of my friend Dave. To get back to the original question Flying Scotsman is having new horn ties made for the horn guides according to the latest NRM report, this prevented its appearance at the Barrow Hill roundhouse open weekend when it was due to appear with Mallard, Bittern Tornado, Green Arrow and Atlantic 251. It is still on target to carry the Olympic torch this summer. Mike P

Author:	Mark Z. Yerkes [ Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:08 pm ]
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Well, as far as I know, the Scotsman was not used during the Olympics. More problems arose, I'm guessing?

Author:	car57 [ Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:18 pm ]
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It appeared at Railfest 2012, but has now returned to Riley's for continuation of its overhaul, with bogie stretcher work and cylinder work, superheater work, smokebox pipework, and conducting tests on the superheater header, elements and main pipe. The restoration cost has quadrupled from 750,000 pounds estimate to nearly 3 million and five years late, wisely no completion date has been announced. Mike Pannell

Author:	Frisco1522 [ Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:12 pm ]
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What the heck is bogie stretcher work?

Author:	car57 [ Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:30 pm ]
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Better translate i guess. Bogie = front truck...Stretcher is probably the bogie bracing between the frames. Mike Pannell

Author:	Loco112 [ Tue Sep 25, 2012 3:01 am ]
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I saw the Flying Scotsman, and got a cab tour, in Dallas in 1970. I had just turned 5-years old. My dad wanted me to see a real steam locomotive in operation, since I was already a little train fan. The cab was hissing and crackling and the fire was roaring and giving off so much heat that it really scared me when the fireman opened the firebox door to show me the fire, and when all that radiant heat hit me right on the face and I nearly jumped out of the thing. Everyone had a great laughed at my expense. http://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth28622/

Author:	gbrewer [ Tue Sep 25, 2012 4:44 am ]
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Loco112 wrote: I saw the Flying Scotsman, and got a cab tour, in Dallas in 1970. I had just turned 5-years old. My dad wanted me to see a real steam locomotive in operation, since I was already a little train fan. I was in the cab around the same time although I am a bit older. They were getting ready to head off for Ft. Worth, and the British driver was explaining to the T&P fireman what his duties were. He looked a bit out of shape and may have never worked a steam locomotive. He kept asking things like, "how much coal did you say will this thing will burn?" He looked a bit ill. Glen Brewer Railroad Glory Days

Author:	Alexander D. Mitchell IV [ Tue Sep 25, 2012 10:02 am ]
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Citing the September issue of Railway Magazine: Quote: After appearing at the NRM's Railfest 2012 (June 2-10) A3 No. 4472 Flying Scotsman entered the York museum's Works where the pipework, valve gear, and lubrication system received attention. Flying Scotsman was due to go back to Riley & Son (E) Ltd in Bury for completion of its overhaul by the end of July. Work, confirmed by the NRM as needing to be undertaken at Bury, encompasses attention to the bogie which includes changing the bogie stretcher (a crack was apparent at Railfest although the NRM says this was an old stretcher with a replacement ready for fitting at Bury) and attention to the middle cylinder. The smokebox pipework and spark arrestor will be worked on at Riley's, where integrity tests will also be conducted on the superheater header and elements and the steam pipe. The RM understands original plans for running in on the East Lancashire Railway remain on the agenda but at this stage the NRM says it is not possible to confirm any dates for completing Flying Scotsman: "The project management team is currently working on a comprehensive programme of works for the locomotive which, when complete, will help give a clearer idea of a timeline for the project," stated a post-Railfest release by the NRM office. I can also point out that NRM director Steve Davies has just resigned effective 19 September to take a position in private industry, departing at the end of October. The slow work on the restoration of 4472 is not going unnoticed, with Steam Railway Magazine apparently doing a two-part article by David Wilcock on the "controversy" over 4472's "troubled overhaul," in a periodical judged by many to engage in overly dramatic and sensationalistic coverage of its subjects for the sake of sales. If you are retired and have little else to do, there's this thread on the loco's overhaul at the National Preservation forum that has been going on for well over two years and 1,720 posts: http://railways.national-preservation.c ... dates.html Suffice it to say that, on the one hand, this has some hallmarks of the "controversial" Pacific restoration on "this side of the pond," PRR 1361, insofar as arousing rumours, controversy, cries of "wasted money" and "someone should be fired." However, in comparison to the "Altoona Albatross," this restoration/overhaul has hit nowhere near the same degree of delay or mismanagement, as far as my own reviews of the 4472 saga go--and I speak as someone who has "wasted" his own money on (i.e. donated to) the preservation/restoration of both locomotives in question. Meanwhile, here's a chance for you to try your own hand at this kind of fun: http://discoverlivesteam.com/discoverfo ... /index.htm

Author:	Dave [ Tue Sep 25, 2012 12:06 pm ]
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Probably a great example of how projects can grow beyond their original scope as additional conditions are discovered during their execution. Anybody unable to understand this is clearly also inexperienced with steam locomotive overhauls..... and therefore has no basis on which to form a meaningful opinion. The best news is that once done it will be in like new (or better) condition. dave

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Author:	tomgears [ Tue Sep 25, 2012 12:11 pm ]
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Just a note from your moderator. I'm getting red flags already. Please keep within the guidelines.