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Author:  daylight4449 [ Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:35 am ]
Post subject:  Surviving War Department Design Locomotives

After some research, here is some information and photos regarding the surviving trench engines used by the Allies in World War I. Chances are that this information may help fill some of the blanks for the technical data on steamlocomotive.info.

France:
http://steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive ... splay=9087
http://steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive ... splay=9078
http://steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive ... splay=9141
http://steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive ... splay=8876
http://steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive ... splay=8894
http://steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive ... splay=9074
*not sure if this one did see war service or not, but it was built in 1914, so maybe one of the earlier Decauvilles?
http://steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive ... splay=8954
*not positive on this one either

UK:
http://steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive ... play=13197
http://steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive ... splay=5274
http://steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive ... play=22412
http://steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive ... splay=4331

India:
http://steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive ... play=17755
http://steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive ... play=17934
http://steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive ... play=17977

Australia:
http://steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive ... play=23003
http://www.australiansteam.com/hunslet1317.htm
http://www.australiansteam.com/sugar/hunslet1239.jpg
http://www.australiansteam.com/sugar/hunslet1239a.jpg
http://www.australiansteam.com/sugar/hunslet1218.jpg
http://www.australiansteam.com/sugar/baldwin46828.jpg
*one of three bought by Penryhn Slate Quarries in Wales, two survive in Australia
http://www.australiansteam.com/sugar/baldwin45215.jpg
*rebuilt as a tender engine with oil firing for the Dreamworld Railway

United States:
http://steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive.cfm?Display=369
-Below are the two Byron Railroad engines, built using components from Davenport tanks. Currently both are fitted with tenders and larger boilers than original.
http://steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive ... play=26328
http://steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive ... play=26332

http://steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive.cfm?Display=666

Germany(?):
http://steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive ... play=11097


I'm betting that I missed some of the survivors used by the Allies. If anyone can add to this list, please do.

Author:  brettcog2000 [ Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:44 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Surviving War Department Design Locomotives

The Fort Benning engine was not used over seas durring the war. There are no surviving American locomotives here in the US that actually saw service overseas. There are however quite a few Axis locomotives here that were part of the reporations.

Author:  daylight4449 [ Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Surviving War Department Design Locomotives

brettcog2000 wrote:
The Fort Benning engine was not used over seas durring the war. There are no surviving American locomotives here in the US that actually saw service overseas. There are however quite a few Axis locomotives here that were part of the reporations.

While the Fort Benning engine didn't go overseas, it's still a design meant for foreign use from the WWI era, so I included it for that purpose. As for the German engines, I'll have to do some serious research before I can compile a list.

Author:  Ted Anderson [ Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:57 pm ]
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For those intrepid few modeling WWI trench warfare, at the IRM Pullman Library we have drawings by Standard Steel Car (Butler PA) and by Haskell & Barker (Michigan City IN) of the 60 cm gage (~ 2 ft) freight cars: flat car, box car, gondolla, and tank car that were designed for that operation. They are all low profile, double truck with rounded car ends and long slender drawbars to snake around the curves below grade so as not to be seen. These cars with the locomotives would make a great exhibit layout, say, at Colonel McCormick's Cantigny Park in Wheaton Illinois! Check out the book on this amazing WWI railway system referred to in previous posts for historic perspective.
Ted Anderson, IRM Pullman Library curator

Author:  brettcog2000 [ Sun Apr 29, 2012 8:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Surviving War Department Design Locomotives

Any locomotive drawings of the 2-6-2T or Baldwin Gas mechanicals?

Author:  daylight4449 [ Sun Apr 29, 2012 8:26 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Surviving War Department Design Locomotives

brettcog2000 wrote:
Any locomotive drawings of the 2-6-2T or Baldwin Gas mechanicals?

This came across my web browser. It's meant for scale models of the Alco 2-6-2T, but they're very accurate.
www.16mm.org.uk/newsite/publications/SMT_PDFs/​126p31Alco.pdf

Author:  GuyFay [ Sat Jun 21, 2014 3:39 pm ]
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There's another survivor in Brazil:
http://www.viana.es.gov.br/Secretaria_C ... 0Culturais

Author:  Jim Livesey [ Sat Jun 21, 2014 7:12 pm ]
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One more in the UK to add to the list. Awaiting restoration at Statfold Barn near Tamworth UK is BLW 44657/16 class 10-12D 4-6-0T ex Ryam sugar factory, Bihar, India in March 2013.

Currently in a VERY rusty condition it is very likely that full restoration will take place.

Author:  GuyFay [ Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:09 am ]
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Model Engineering (the British mag) is currently running a series on constructing some well tank locos made by the Brits- an 0-4-0 for airfield construction and a similar 0-6-0 built in small numbers for the front.

Author:  p51 [ Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:15 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Surviving War Department Design Locomotives

daylight4449 wrote:
United States:

-Below are the two Byron Railroad engines, built using components from Davenport tanks. Currently both are fitted with tenders and larger boilers than original.
http://steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive ... play=26328

I really don't think the Byron locomotive is in Monroe anymore, I haven't found anyone who can verify that locally, and I've talked with all the "ears to the ground" types around. I know that Dunn's "Narrow gauge to no man's land" book says it's still there, but I truly doubt it is.

Author:  o anderson [ Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Surviving War Department Design Locomotives

Lee,
I found the post within the Byron Locomotive thread, one of the most interesting mysteries we have yet to resolve, describing the location of this engine:
Quote:
...sitting in a barn on the same rails with another locomotive. Looks like its been there awhile. Currently in SW Washington in the hands of a collector.

http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=31929&start=15

The person who posted this was a bit of a ghost (with just three posts, on this subject), perhaps they will return to post more info, but I think we are on our own to seek it out.
Might this mean the metro Vancouver, WA area?

O.

Author:  marshall5 [ Mon Jul 20, 2015 5:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Surviving War Department Design Locomotives

brettcog2000 wrote:
Any locomotive drawings of the 2-6-2T or Baldwin Gas mechanicals?

There is a good drawing of an Alco 2-6-2T (as there is of all the equipment used by the British forces) in Roy Link's recent book "WDLR Album" (ISBN 978-0-9565157-2-8) which I can thoroughly recommend. I have seen a drawing of a Baldwin gas mechanical somewhere - possibly in a Narrow Gauge & Shortline Gazette. Apart from "Moelwyn" on the Festiniog Railway there are two, in original condition, at Tacot des Lacs in France as is the only surviving Baldwin built 2-6-2T (5104) recently restored to working order.
I don't think anyone has mentioned the 5 members of the 'Joffre' class which are preserved in the U.K. Having served in France during WW1 these locos ended up in a quarry near Calais and were re-imported in the early 70's. Three are currently operational - one being at the Apedale Heritage Centre where there is a large collection of WW1 equipment. Didn't Statfold Barn actually import 2 Baldwin 4-6-0's from India?
Hope this helps.
Ray.
P.S. There's a drawing (side view only) of a Baldwin 50HP gas/mechanical on Roll Models' website - rmirailworks.com

Author:  GuyFay [ Sat Aug 01, 2015 11:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Surviving War Department Design Locomotives

I think by drawings we're looking for complete sets of parts drawings for reproductions.

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