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 Post subject: Questions about the D & RG railway in 1881
PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 1:13 pm 

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112 views one answer = total lack of interest.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 2:02 pm 

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Oh dear......

You might start with spelling.

I'm not sure what it is that you want or think we can provide. Clive Cussler writes great action / adventure and never let railroading accuracy interfere. Things were so colorful back then that it doesn't take much willing suspension of disbelief to make it interesting. Perhaps if you had specific questions that need specific answers somebody might be able to find the information.

Best wishes.

dave

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 4:18 pm 

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Boredom is terminal.
She got on a train.

I will admit disappointment.

Thanks for the info on your com.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 9:55 pm 

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Bo Bo,

If you want information about the Denver & Rio Grande in 1881, I would post an inquiry at the "Narrow Gauge Railroad Discussion Forum." Its primary focus is the D&RG(W) and other Colorado narrow gauges.

Here is the link:
Narrow Gauge Railroad Discussion Forum

I understand that there is a Yahoo email group (maybe even more than one) that is devoted the Denver & Rio Grande.

All of these would probably be a better source for your focused inquiry.

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 Post subject: Re: Questions about the D & RG railway in 1881
PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 2:32 am 

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Thank you Utah Josh and Brian for your replies.

I had gone into too much detail, of why I wanted the info and telling too much of the info I'd picked up in the last couple of days. I use detail to have people moving around in their 'natural' surroundings, which by me can trigger scenes, in I do not work from an outline. In the book I do throw in tid bits of how it actually was, like first class culinary excellent 'free lunch' saloons, or the fact a conductor was paid five whole dollars a day, to do more than punch tickets. A skilled carpenter made three. Or City slickers was the thing to be, men wore combat boots, and up to the Buffalo Bill Wild West Show cowboys mostly wore Derbies. I do get a bit AR on detail. I have laying in front of me the exact size and how many stories of what part and building material of the Pueblo Union Depot of 1883.

Thank you Josh about the black and white trimmed color of the D&RG locomotives and if so the color of the black and gold caboose being wrong for the time. I wasn't going to write at this time a real shoot'em up bang bang RR western. That had been a vague of down the road.

WOG The larger 2-6-0's would have been freight, or mountain trains. The 4-4-0 more the passenger train; faster & cheaper to run, especially in the flat land between Denver and Alamosa. Something vastly important happens in the book when taking the girl from Pueblo to Denver.

1. Does any one know what colors, the Locomotives and cabooses were on the Santa Fe or D&DG in @1880?

2. Does any one know what color D&RG was painted on the Tuscan Red passenger cars, and if there was any other things, like the black trim of the 'banana car' Santa Fe’s?

3. What color were the freight cars? Of either train company. More or less answered.


Josh that was a wonderful link, exactly what I needed.
Thank you


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Josh, the links provided led to the clearest description of clothing needed for wet plate photography I've read. I have to go back and add some of that in a previous chapter. I had spent much of a month researching that and 1880 or slightly before cameras. I was able to drop 2 active and one inactive photographers of or in Santa Fe into the book; Ben Wittick and Jackson both famous. I can put her in a proper color of dress, she had made just to be photographed in. She's in one of her destructive phases of liking men the only way she knows. She wins in the end, I put an American Ending in it. I'd planned a French ending of empty success.

An American book, boy gets girl, boy loses girl, boy spends the rest of the book getting girl back.
A French book, boy gets girl then spends the rest of the book getting rid of girl.
A Russian book, neither gets either and spend the next 800 pages brooding about it.

I found Russian Iron for trains fascinating, in I'd not heard of it in the years I've spent researching the west. How ever it appears the 'Col. Boone' that thanks to the fine link to the color of the 1880 D&RG was Green. I just have to check if the #101 on the 'picture' is a engine on the list (I am using #96 right now.) or something else. I had forgotten many engines were named. I think little things like that can show some of the metal set of the era. Prosperity was factories belching smoke in Denver, or Pueblo. Status was then as much as now, with the middle class, living on the edge of disaster keeping up with the Jones. It was your 14 K gold cased RR movement watch, not I-Pod 6.

I do go overboard on detail. She used Zebra stove blacking (that took a real long time to find). Like Monday wash, Friday stove cleaning was a woman's life.I see now with the new info her next stove will be a no fuss no muss Russian Iron one.

Mayo, was a grand then hard to make special sauce in 1880's, it was something one put on one's Sunday two inch thick Porterhouse steak cooked in beef tallow, that one cut into six servings. The west was made up of much more than grungy ill paid cowboys. There were the City slickers, RR folks, miners, farmers and a lot of cowboys in 1881 who still at this time wore Derbys/Bowler hats, which were designed for for English fox hunts. Stetson did not make the best Derby.

I have to satisfy the more informed through Internet reader with much deeper knowledge than a generation before; who had only an occasional visit to a library. The stagecoach or RR fans, the watch or gun fans; the women into Victorian cloths; the reactors need to be satisfied.

I was never satisfied with the cowboy needing a horse picking his 'used' vehicle from the sidewalk of the 'used car' lot...the horse with the blue hub caps, with out even kicking the horse's tires. So the traveling salesman from the first book, buys two not quite sound horses, even though he even checks the oil.He misses the sawdust in the transmission.

Whee!!! RR models cost an arm, a leg. I'd looked at picking up a good model of a 4-4-0 for my desk.

Josh, I"m an American, who decided to stay in Germany after my tour. My German girl friend later wife said, go to America where they only have 10 days (two weeks) of vacation....you are crazy. She cured me, before marriage. I stayed for 30 days a year(six weeks) vacation. I am retired.

I've looked but have not yet asked the questions on, Narrow Gauge Discussion Forum .
I'll look at your new link next.

Thank you for the help.

My next book is so much easier, just go down town and say gee that bar has really changed. It's a spy-terrorist book from 1975 taking place in Heidelberg.


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