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| Author: | NH0401 [ Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | AMTK Turboliner Hulks |
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=69612 |
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| Author: | Alexander D. Mitchell IV [ Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AMTK Turboliner Hulks |
This has been brought up before. Come back and talk if it's still there AND has wheels, seats, etc. |
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| Author: | wilkinsd [ Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AMTK Turboliner Hulks |
Mr. Mitchell, Can you point to the specific thread where this particular Turboliner has been brought up before? I know the New York ones have been discussed, but didn't realize the earlier ones had been as well. I know you are upset about the "railfan" section that is being considered, but must you vent your frustration on every thread? Your attempt at pointing out what you think is ridiculousness by being ridiculous is becoming, well absurd. |
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| Author: | Bobharbison [ Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AMTK Turboliner Hulks |
David, I would agree that ADM and Robert MacDowell both can be rather quick to throw a wet blanket on anything they don't consider worthy of discussion. On the other hand, there certainly isn't much discussion here. So, there's a picture of a Turbo on RP.net.... Gee, that's nice, what about it? Are you suggesting somebody should try and save that piece of tin that used to be a Turboliner? (After all, a certain well known railroad preservationist in the Pacific NW is building a PA out of a what he readily admits was not much more than a rusting shell he found in Mexico.) Or is the point of the photo to show that "Gee guys, looks like we waited too long, this one is too far gone!" Before you can complain too much about your discussion being shut down, you have to at least start a discussion! |
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| Author: | wilkinsd [ Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AMTK Turboliner Hulks |
Mr. NH0401 was in the process of turning an equally basket case NH FA-1 into a real locomotive again after years as a LIRR "Power Pack." He has preservation bona fides, so I'd like to know why he posted the picture. These were used in the midwest by Amtrak for a while. I wonder how long she's been in the scrapyard? If extant, even saving just the nose section would make an interesting display, but how many museums focus or even dedicate part of their mission to Amtrak? |
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| Author: | robertjohndavis [ Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AMTK Turboliner Hulks |
NH0401 wrote: http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=69612 Outstanding! I love posts that reveal the existence of old equipment that may be off most people's radar. Thank you for sharing. There is a rather large list of preservation projects that began with an item coming into awareness via the Intertubes. Rob |
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| Author: | Bobharbison [ Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AMTK Turboliner Hulks |
robertjohndavis wrote: NH0401 wrote: http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=69612 Outstanding! I love posts that reveal the existence of old equipment that may be off most people's radar. That is a good start, but it also brings up some questions. Is this thing really "equipment" at this point, or is it a chicken coop with an Amtrak logo on it. It's hard to tell, but it looks like it could simply be the empty shell at this point. Ignoring the whole "Can anyone restore one of these train/jet airplane hybrids" debate, is there even anything to restore? |
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| Author: | Alexander D. Mitchell IV [ Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AMTK Turboliner Hulks |
In September 2009 the car was still there, along with apparently two coaches off to the side: 39° 4'2.21"N 87°12'36.87"W https://maps.google.com/maps?q=39%C2%B0 ... .16,,0,3.8 I've looked at some apparently more recent aerial views that suggest the cab car has been moved or removed, but not the two coaches (parallel to the main road, to the east a few feet). Question #1: Is it still there, or at any other location? <if NO, discussion -END> Question #2: If so, how complete or incomplete? Quote: These were used in the midwest by Amtrak for a while. I wonder how long she's been in the scrapyard? My notes say the French ANF units were pulled from Chicago-Milwaukee service in early 1981 and mothballed at Beech Grove. A fair guess is that they were parted out with parts taken for the Rohr-rebuilt units and sold off a few years later after the usual lethargy. |
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| Author: | Alexander D. Mitchell IV [ Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AMTK Turboliner Hulks |
robertjohndavis wrote: There is a rather large list of preservation projects that began with an item coming into awareness via the Intertubes. RAIL preservation projects? Enumerate. (Now, rail preservation blather, most certainly.......) |
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| Author: | robertjohndavis [ Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AMTK Turboliner Hulks |
Alexander D. Mitchell IV wrote: robertjohndavis wrote: There is a rather large list of preservation projects that began with an item coming into awareness via the Intertubes. RAIL preservation projects? Enumerate. (Now, rail preservation blather, most certainly.......) Yes, rail projects. Believe it or not, there are people who use this board, Facebook and other online tools as more than a... darn it, I can't think of a family-friendly metaphor to put in here... what I want to say is definitely not NSFRYPN.... |
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| Author: | wilkinsd [ Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AMTK Turboliner Hulks |
Alexander D. Mitchell IV wrote: robertjohndavis wrote: There is a rather large list of preservation projects that began with an item coming into awareness via the Intertubes. RAIL preservation projects? Enumerate. (Now, rail preservation blather, most certainly.......) Man, somebody got up on the wrong side of the bed in Baltimore this morning. Sandy, did you get the "Grumpy Meal" when you visited McDonald's for lunch today? |
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| Author: | Alexander D. Mitchell IV [ Fri Feb 22, 2013 7:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AMTK Turboliner Hulks |
wilkinsd wrote: Can you point to the specific thread where this particular Turboliner has been brought up before? I know the New York ones have been discussed, but didn't realize the earlier ones had been as well. Would you like the 2001 thread: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2383&p=9603 or the 2002 thread: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3514 or the 2009 thread? www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=28466&p=133271 |
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| Author: | Alexander D. Mitchell IV [ Fri Feb 22, 2013 7:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AMTK Turboliner Hulks |
wilkinsd wrote: Man, somebody got up on the wrong side of the bed in Baltimore this morning. Sandy, did you get the "Grumpy Meal" when you visited McDonald's for lunch today? People all over the world have gotten into the fallacious habit of making overreaching or preposterous assumptions or claims because either no one calls them on it, or because everybody's in the same "bubble" of "groupthink" and just nods. RobertJohnDavis made a claim. I went and thought about it. Hard. I can't think of any recent rail preservation project that came about strictly because of internet awareness. We've certainly used e-mails to transact some rescues, purchases, and whatnot, and done fundraising by e-mail and website, but someone starting and fulfilling a preservation of something just because they saw a picture of it or form post about it on the Internet--which is the gist of this assertion? No local group, no museum that's been eying it for a decade already? Maybe something the Conrail Historical Society guys have done so far....... Okay, wait. I saved four B&O heavyweight trucks for reuse elsewhere at the last minute on an excruciatingly hot day in 2011, because of someone posting an off-the-cuff remark to a topic here. That's one.... |
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| Author: | wilkinsd [ Fri Feb 22, 2013 7:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AMTK Turboliner Hulks |
Alexander D. Mitchell IV wrote: wilkinsd wrote: Man, somebody got up on the wrong side of the bed in Baltimore this morning. Sandy, did you get the "Grumpy Meal" when you visited McDonald's for lunch today? People all over the world have gotten into the fallacious habit of making overreaching or preposterous assumptions or claims because either no one calls them on it, or because everybody's in the same "bubble" of "groupthink" and just nods. You made a claim. I went and thought about it. Hard. I can't think of any recent rail preservation project that came about strictly because of internet awareness. We've certainly used e-mails to transact some rescues, purchases, and whatnot, and done fundraising by e-mail and website, but someone starting and fulfilling a preservation of something just because they saw a picture of it or form post about it on the Internet--which is the gist of your assertion? No local group, no museum that's been eying it for a decade already? Maybe something the Conrail Historical Society guys have done so far....... Okay, wait. I saved four B&O heavyweight trucks for reuse elsewhere at the last minute on an excruciatingly hot day in 2011, because of someone posting an off-the-cuff remark to a topic here. That's one.... Sandy, I actually agree with you, just putting my tounge in cheek a bit. I tend to think people confuse consumerist-style "awareness" with "action." Like the "KONY2012" YouTube video did nothing about the political situation in Uganda, posting a link to a photo isn't preservation. Still, this forum is a good place to share news and bounce ideas off of each other, even if we get grumpy from time to time. |
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| Author: | Alexander D. Mitchell IV [ Fri Feb 22, 2013 7:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AMTK Turboliner Hulks |
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