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Author:  Joshua K. Blay [ Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Trying to Track Down Santa Fe Super Chief Dining Cars
Would appreciate any help finding out what became of Santa Fe diners 600-606 that were used on the Chief.

Thank you!

Joshua
Author:  Alexander D. Mitchell IV [ Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:24 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Trying to Track Down Santa Fe Super Chief Dining Cars
601-603 and 605-606 became Amtrak 8070-8072, 8074-75. Although the rosters I am looking at said 600-606 were assigned to these 1950-built diners, they indicate only 6 built for the 7 numbers in the series. The above list is from a 1976 Amtrak roster, so either 604/8073 never made it to Amtrak or it was an early retiree. The 8000-series diners are long retired, with the 8500-series retained later/to the present day.

I found one site claiming Santa Fe retained, or reclaimed diner 600, and it became ATSF 61 in 1974, and 601-606 became 8070-8075. Santa Fe/BNSF retained a diner named "Fred Harvey" and numbered 61 into the 1990s at least.

One of these diners may be in Houston, Texas: http://abpr.railfan.net/abprphoto.cgi?o ... -May87.jpg
Author:  Pat Fahey [ Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:40 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Trying to Track Down Santa Fe Super Chief Dining Cars
Hi Joshua
I did find some information on the dining cars , 600 -606 .
Cars 601 - 606 sold to Amtrak in 1971 renumbered to # 8070 - 8075 .
Car 600 sold to Amt in 1974 renumbered # 61 . I could find any other information on these cars , if any were preserved . I am just guessing all sold for scrap , when Amtrak was getting new equipment .
I did find some photo when on Amtrak .
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Author:  Brian Norden [ Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:00 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Trying to Track Down Santa Fe Super Chief Dining Cars
Alexander D. Mitchell IV wrote:
I found one site claiming Santa Fe retained, or reclaimed diner 600, and it became ATSF 61 in 1974, and 601-606 became 8070-8075. Santa Fe/BNSF retained a diner named "Fred Harvey" and numbered 61 into the 1990s at least.
The Santa Fe did retain car 600 for use on "executive trains." It also retained a full-dome car, a bar-lounge car, and six REGAL-series 4-4-2 sleeping cars. At one time these cars were stored when not in use at the Car Shop building at San Bernardino, CA.

A list from the booklet Railway Passenger Car Annual Volume V 1980-1981 which is on the shelf next to the computer (The Santa Fe passenger car books are downstairs) gives these numbers:

60 ex-506 big dome
61 ex-600 diner
62 ex-1348 bar-lounge
63 REGAL CREST
64 REGAL HUNT
65 REGAL LANE
66 REGAL LARK
67 REGAL MANOR
68 REGAL SPA
Author:  Topfuel [ Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:59 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Trying to Track Down Santa Fe Super Chief Dining Cars
The picture of the diner in Houston is the former AT&SF 1488, built by PS in 1940. It is no longer at that location, but still exists at a roadside location outside of Houston.

I believe the former AT&SF 601/Amtrak 8070 is still at the Feather River/WP museum in Portola, CA.

The AT&SF 604/Amtrak 8073 was wrecked in 1975 and scrapped.

The AT&SF 605/Amtrak 8074 was owned by Ken Bitten's group and was seen stored in York, PA in 2008. It was moved a few years ago to the Chicago area IIRC, but not sure of current status.
Author:  Joshua K. Blay [ Thu Mar 28, 2013 7:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Trying to Track Down Santa Fe Super Chief Dining Cars
Thank you Gents. I'm trying to sort passenger car history of excursion cars operated by the DO era NYS&W. They picked up a number of cars through the Auto-Train sale, but prior to that they purchased a diner, believed to be ex Santa Fe and I suspect it may be one of these. It became Cooperstown & Charlotte Valley #13, later NYSW #508.

Joshua
Author:  Topfuel [ Thu Mar 28, 2013 9:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Trying to Track Down Santa Fe Super Chief Dining Cars
You should have said that in the beginning. We could have saved you a step. That car was not one of the Super Chief diners. It was one of the 1937 Budd diners, former Amtrak 8032. It was built as AT&SF 1480. The D-O bought it directly from Amtrak, as far as I know. It was an Amtrak Certified car for awhile in the early 1980's, back when you didn't need to do much to get a car Amtrak Certified. Don't remember off hand where it ended up.
Author:  JimLundquist [ Thu Mar 28, 2013 9:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Trying to Track Down Santa Fe Super Chief Dining Cars
A AT&SF diner left Jacumba one day on the SD&AE and headed east without the benefit of a train or crew. It's stop about 3 miles east when it left the rails and was dashed upon the rocks as it approached Carriso Gorge. I'm not certain, but I believe it met the scrappers torch sometime later.
Author:  Topfuel [ Thu Mar 28, 2013 9:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Trying to Track Down Santa Fe Super Chief Dining Cars
Jim - I believe that was the former Amtrak 8034, a sister to the former Amtrak 8032 mentioned above. It was originally AT&SF 1483. The car was in fairly decent shape when it decided to take it's last ride down the track. I believe another former AT&SF Budd pre-war coach and an ex-SP economy baggage car also decided to join the birds during that same il-fated excursion.
Author:  eldiner [ Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:15 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Trying to Track Down Santa Fe Super Chief Dining Cars
Topfuel wrote:
You should have said that in the beginning. We could have saved you a step. That car was not one of the Super Chief diners. It was one of the 1937 Budd diners, former Amtrak 8032. It was built as AT&SF 1480. The D-O bought it directly from Amtrak, as far as I know. It was an Amtrak Certified car for awhile in the early 1980's, back when you didn't need to do much to get a car Amtrak Certified. Don't remember off hand where it ended up.


I think it ended up going to CSX when the DO sold off all of their passenger equipment after Walter Rich's death.

That was a really nice car. In the late 80's and early 90's I was involved with some excursions on the NYS&W using that diner. On one glorious occasion we used a brand new pattern of dining car china made for the Susquehanna and had a menu printed up for the day. We even had a New York state sparkling white wine that was labeled as being especially bottled for the NYS&W. A four course dinner was prepared and served on that diner that day.
Author:  SteveInSac [ Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Trying to Track Down Santa Fe Super Chief Dining Cars
We have #1474 Cochiti in our museum.
http://www.csrmf.org/library-and-collec ... 74-cochiti
Author:  Rainier Rails [ Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:29 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Trying to Track Down Santa Fe Super Chief Dining Cars
AT&SF Diners #600-#606:

Ordered in 6/1948. Built by P-S in Lot #6851 to Plan #7625. Delivered in 11/1950-12/1950. Assigned to the Super Chief. 36 seat dining arrangement.

#600: Retained by AT&SF in 1971 for executive service. Renumbered/named to #61 "Fred Harvey". Later upgraded to Amtrak mechanical standards with registration #800660. To BNSF 1995 and renumbered to #11 "Fred Harvey".
#601: To Amtrak #8070. Retired 7/1981. To Norman Holmes. Currently part of the collection at the Western Pacific Railroad Museum in Portola, CA.
#602: To Amtrak #8071. Retired 7/1981.
#603: To Amtrak #8072. Retired 7/1981.
#604: To Amtrak #8073. Wrecked in 5/1975 and subsequently scrapped.
#605: To Amtrak #8074. Retired 11/1977. To Ken Bitten. Stored in York, PA. Now stored in the Chicago area.
#606: To Amtrak #8075. Retired 7/1981.

Pictures of BNSF #11 "Fred Harvey":

Hallway side: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1648048 (Christopher Palmieri photo)
Kitchen side: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2448736 (Pat Huemmer photo)

AT&SF Diners #1475-#1484:

Built by Budd in Lot #976. Delivered in 5/1937-6/1937. 36 seat dining arrangement.

#1477: To Amtrak #8030. Stored at unknown date and formally retired 6/2005!
#1479: To Amtrak #8031. Retired 2/1981. To Utica & Mohawk Valley Chapter of NRHS. Currently part of the railroad exhibit at the Utica Children's Museum.
#1480: To Amtrak #8032. Retired 1981. To Cooperstown & Charlotte Valley as CACV #13 and painted in NYSW red in the windowband and "Susquehanna" in the letterboard. Later transferred to the NYSW as #508. Picture of the #1480 as CACV #13: http://rr-fallenflags.org/nysw/cacv13ags.jpg.
#1481: To Amtrak #8033. Retired 7/1981.
#1483: To Amtrak #8034. Retired 7/1981. To Pacific Southwest Railway Museum. Stored at Jacumba (30 miles railroad east of Campo). Heavily damaged in runaway incident and subsequently scrapped.

Does anyone know the numbers of the prewar AT&SF coach and the SP economy baggage that decided to take a ride with the #1483, and when this occurred?

Does anyone know the dispositions of the other 5 diners from this Lot which did not go to Amtrak?

Sources:

1. Pictures of BNSF #11 "Fred Harvey" and CACV #13 located using Jerry LaBoda's photo links at: http://passcarphotos.info/

2. Retirement dates from "Amtrak by the Numbers" by David C. Warner & Elbert Simon. Ordering information at: http://on-track-on-line.com/pdfs/orderform-otol.pdf
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