Does anyone have a photo of #5313 to show us? Please post it if you do.
By the way, the tender off the #5313 is the last remaining KNOWN piece of a NYC hudson, but I recall reading somewhere that a NYC Hudson wrecked at Little Falls,New York and lost it's trailing truck into the nearby Mohawk River and it was never recovered.
Perhaps we can find enough pieces scattered about to recreate a Hudson...No?


btamper@hotmail.com

> I don't have a photo of 5313, but there is one of 5312 and 5315 (wrecked at Little Falls) on my site. I think I have seen every photo of the 5315 wreck and don't recall seeing the trailing truck from the locomotive. The massive reconstruction of the curve and the routing of the Mohawk River in 1947 should have resulted in the recovery of the trailing truck, though I don't know if that happened or not. I grew up in Little Falls.

Fitz's Steam Railfan page
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> Does anyone have a photo of #5313 to show
> us? Please post it if you do.
> By the way, the tender off the #5313 is the
> last remaining KNOWN piece of a NYC hudson,

Brian,

Where is this tender now ?

I was involved with getting vinyl NEW YORK CENTRAL lettering made up for a tender, I think was this one...would love to know how it worked out. How about a photo of the tender ?

I just saw the brief with the nice picture.

The TH&B heater car is a neat piece of equipment, not just for it's J-tender heritage. Scott Whitney showed her off to me a few years ago, noting the wide vareity of reused steam and diesel parts that make up the unit.

It's sort of neat to see it lettered New York Central, but me thinks she wore Toronto, Hamilton & Buffalo lettering after conversion to a heater car.

Here's hoping Steamtown continues their recent track record of restorations by returning this car to it's most appropriate historical exterior configuration after the mechanical work is done.

Rob Davis

> Does anyone have a photo of #5313 to show
> us? Please post it if you do.
> By the way, the tender off the #5313 is the
> last remaining KNOWN piece of a NYC hudson,
> but I recall reading somewhere that a NYC
> Hudson wrecked at Little Falls,New York and
> lost it's trailing truck into the nearby
> Mohawk River and it was never recovered.
> Perhaps we can find enough pieces scattered
> about to recreate a Hudson...No?


trains@robertjohndavis.com

Wasn't there a short piece from Bob Yarger in Loco & Railway Preservation News on this car?

Seems to me that there was a new paint job and New York central lettering shown in the photograph.

Bob, does it show up in your index?

Ted Miles

ted_miles@nps.gov

Would this item lend itself to the technique of using different lettering on opposite sides, thereby presenting it in both a NYC and TH&B identity? If both used black paint it would work just fine, as long as a sign explained why this was done.

Museum of Transportation
rdgoldfede@aol.com

I guess I am a purist on this one, Ron. This is not a tender anymore, it is a heater car. As such, it never wore NYC lettering.

I think that when we interpret equipment in a museum setting, the nuances of doing it "right" do add to the validity of the overall visitor experience.

Rob

> Would this item lend itself to the technique
> of using different lettering on opposite
> sides, thereby presenting it in both a NYC
> and TH&B identity? If both used black
> paint it would work just fine, as long as a
> sign explained why this was done.


trains@robertjohndavis.com

I agree that using NYC markings is now an exercise in what was versus what is. After looking at the TH&B photo of this item as their heater car I would recommend it be repainted into their boxcar red with yellow lettering. Its origins as a tender from a NYC Hudson could be covered with photos in the labels for it. I realize the NYC fans might not agree, and that its only paint, but calling its not a tender anymore.

Museum of Transportation
rdgoldfede@aol.com