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Author:  dan [ Sat Aug 03, 2002 9:16 am ]
Post subject:  Oregon World Forestry Ctr. Shay
No response on my earlier posting about Shay CN 2172, so I'll try again.

To anyone familiar with her: Is "Peggy" rebuildable? Would the Forestry Center allow her to be rebuilt and converted to 3' gauge? Sure would be nice to see her running again.

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Author:  jimwrinn [ Sat Aug 03, 2002 10:07 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Oregon World Forestry Ctr. Shay
> No response on my earlier posting about Shay
> CN 2172, so I'll try again.

> To anyone familiar with her: Is
> "Peggy" rebuildable? Would the
> Forestry Center allow her to be rebuilt and
> converted to 3' gauge? Sure would be nice to
> see her running again.

Well, Dan, have you looked at the engine? I was on vacation in Oregon two years ago and went by to see her and was not impressed with her preservation--lots of open areas collecting water, many pieces gone or missing, basically a lot of lessons in what not to do with a display engine that sits outdoors... in an area with substantial rainfall.

Regauge it? Why would you want to? Peggy told me she was happy being a standard guage engine.

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Author:  dan [ Sat Aug 03, 2002 10:53 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Oregon World Forestry Ctr. Shay
> Well, Dan, have you looked at the engine? I
> was on vacation in Oregon two years ago and
> went by to see her and was not impressed
> with her preservation--lots of open areas
> collecting water, many pieces gone or
> missing, basically a lot of lessons in what
> not to do with a display engine that sits
> outdoors... in an area with substantial
> rainfall.

No, I haven't seen her in a long time. Her condition has surely only worsened since your visit. However, we are seeing locomotives in very bad condition being rebuilt these days. Witness Medco #5 Willamette. Concerning the rain, 4449, 700 and 197 all sat out along side the Willamette River for many years and are now operating or nearly so.

> Regauge it? Why would you want to? Peggy
> told me she was happy being a standard guage
> engine.

So, she speaks to you? What kind of magical communication powers do you possess? She is such a small loco, she looks like she should be 3 ft. gauge.

dan


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Author:  Smokebox [ Sat Aug 03, 2002 12:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Oregon World Forestry Ctr. Shay
At this time, the Forestry Center is looking for volunteers to help preserve "Peggy". The ORHF has been approached about helping, but our hands are full with trying to acquire property for the city owned SP 4449, SP&S 700, and OR&N 197. My personal concerns for the locomotive is that until she's under shelter and fenced, or better yet, in a building, she will only continue to deteriorate.

As for 3' gauge, the only place to run her is on the Sumpter Valley, if left standard gauge, she can run in many other locations, including in the Portland metropolitan area.

When a museum/ maintanence facility is built in Portland, we would welcome Peggy with open arms should the Forestry Center decide to deaccess her.

Smokebox

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Author:  Mike Stillwell [ Sat Aug 03, 2002 12:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Oregon World Forestry Ctr. Shay
she looks like she should
> be 3 ft. gauge.

As much as I love 3 foot gauge, parts to convert a Shay to ng are not easy to come by and you really decrease the opportunites to operate a restored loco. Is there any 3 foot other than SVRy in the Northwest?

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Author:  dan [ Sun Aug 04, 2002 10:13 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Oregon World Forestry Ctr. Shay
> she looks like she should

> As much as I love 3 foot gauge, parts to
> convert a Shay to ng are not easy to come by
> and you really decrease the opportunites to
> operate a restored loco. Is there any 3 foot
> other than SVRy in the Northwest?

I don't think there are any other 3 ft. lines in the NW. But if she were 3 ft.'d, running and FRA cert'fd, she would most certainly be allowed to run on the SVRy. Mt Emily Shay sits in a barn in Prineville. She is std gauge, and seldom runs, and to the best of my knowledge has never run in the PDX area, even though I think she is owned by NWRHS (sp). With the City of Prineville RR in jeopardy, she may be homeless soon. The point is even if Peggy were rebuilt to std gauge, she would be dependent on the local main lines, and they don't seem inclined to allow the biggies run very often. Where would Peggy run?

The discussion is interesting, but I'm afraid she will continue to sit outside at the Forestry Ctr and rot. I'm surprised the directors of the center aren't concerned about her.

dan

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Author:  JD Moore [ Sun Aug 04, 2002 12:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Oregon World Forestry Ctr. Shay
The only other narrow guage I can think of in the northwest is an amusement park somewhere in Idaho that has a short loop of 3ft guage track. They operate at least one former Eureka & Palisades/Eureka-Nevada locomotive (a 2-6-0, if my memory is correct).

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Author:  Smokebox [ Sun Aug 04, 2002 1:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Oregon World Forestry Ctr. Shay
There is a private individule in the Salem area that has two 3' 0-4-0 saddle tankers and some rail, but I'm not sure of how long his line is.

The Mt. Emily Shay is owned by the Oregon Historical Society. The problem with her is that she has extra wide tires that aren't happy bumping over self gaurded frogs. The ORHF has had talks of bringing her to Portland to run, and we do have a line we can run on. The problem is where to keep her when she's not running. I'm confident you will see her running in the Portland area someday for a special event.

The currator of the Forestry Center does want to preserve Peggy. The problem is that they, like most every museum, don't have the funds to do a full, or cosmetic restoration. They're looking for volunteers to help them preserve her at her present location. IMO, It will be a challenge to fix her up out doors, and then only to watch people climb all over her and let the weather take its toll.

Smokebox

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Author:  Casey Carlson [ Sun Aug 04, 2002 1:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Oregon World Forestry Ctr. Shay
Yes, it's the Silverwood Central, which has about two miles of track with pretty steep grades. They own two prairies.

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Author:  dan [ Sun Aug 04, 2002 3:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Oregon World Forestry Ctr. Shay
> Yes, it's the Silverwood Central, which has
> about two miles of track with pretty steep
> grades. They own two prairies.

Where are they located Casey. Good to hear from you. Are you gonna be able to make it up to McEwen this year?

dan

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Author:  dan [ Sun Aug 04, 2002 3:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Oregon World Forestry Ctr. Shay
> There is a private individule in the Salem
> area that has two 3' 0-4-0 saddle tankers
> and some rail, but I'm not sure of how long
> his line is.

> The Mt. Emily Shay is owned by the Oregon
> Historical Society. The problem with her is
> that she has extra wide tires that aren't
> happy bumping over self gaurded frogs. The
> ORHF has had talks of bringing her to
> Portland to run, and we do have a line we
> can run on. The problem is where to keep her
> when she's not running. I'm confident you
> will see her running in the Portland area
> someday for a special event.

> The currator of the Forestry Center does
> want to preserve Peggy. The problem is that
> they, like most every museum, don't have the
> funds to do a full, or cosmetic restoration.
> They're looking for volunteers to help them
> preserve her at her present location. IMO,
> It will be a challenge to fix her up out
> doors, and then only to watch people climb
> all over her and let the weather take its
> toll.

> Smokebox

I've heard of this short line. Where is it located?

Even if WFC could find their way to get some lumber, perhaps if reject, and cover her up from the rain it would help. We got some reject stuff at SVRy and built an loading platform and a loading ramp.

But here I go lending advice and potentially getting involved. I'm retired and so busy now with SVRy, and moving to Bend that I don't have time to get involved.

dan

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Author:  Tom Shreve [ Mon Aug 05, 2002 1:21 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Oregon World Forestry Ctr. Shay
> As much as I love 3 foot gauge, parts to
> convert a Shay to ng are not easy to come by
> and you really decrease the opportunites to
> operate a restored loco. Is there any 3 foot
> other than SVRy in the Northwest?

Amen, In order to convert a 42 ton Shay to 36 inch gauge not only do you need to change the trucks but also the angle of the engines. This would mean replacing the engine manifold, a complex casting to say the least.


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Author:  Casey Carlson [ Mon Aug 05, 2002 5:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Oregon World Forestry Ctr. Shay
They are located in Coeur D' Alene Idaho. Its up north kind of by Spokane.

You might see me in October. Keep up the good work.

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Author:  dan [ Fri Aug 09, 2002 10:05 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Oregon World Forestry Ctr. Shay
> Amen, In order to convert a 42 ton Shay to
> 36 inch gauge not only do you need to change
> the trucks but also the angle of the
> engines. This would mean replacing the
> engine manifold, a complex casting to say
> the least.

I'm sure you are right, but I wonder if those castings are available on some derelict Shay somewhere.

I rec'd email from the Director of the World Forestry Center. They have plans to move Peggy to a more stable area, put her under cover and spiff her up. No restoration, just cosmetic clean up. Maybe some new wood in the cab. They need someone to help out. Anyone out there licensed to remove lead paint?

dan
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