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Author:  BerwickRailFan [ Mon Oct 20, 2014 2:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Carroll Park and Western Railroad Station Prototype
In doing research on the Carroll Park and Western Railroad I've been trying to identify the prototype used for the Deadwood Flats Station (pic attached). In a 1964 brochure (pic attacehd) it says it was built using plans from the C&NW. I've contacted the C&NW Historical Society about this and they replied back that is is too ornate and does not resemble anything the C&NW had. So my question is, what prototype was it built after? Does anyone have a photo of a similar looking station?

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Author:  jahamilton [ Mon Oct 20, 2014 3:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Carroll Park and Western Railroad Station Prototype
Found this online
https://www.flickr.com/photos/numsom/3661762776/


"Once home, I'm scanning a guy's postcard collection for a friend and I find one of this very building as belonging to the Carroll Park & Western Steam Railroad Museum. The station is built from the plans for the Chicago & Northwestern RR station at Wayne, Nebraska"


Which lead to this
http://www.nebraskahistory.org/histpres/nebraska/wayne/WY05_Wayne_Commercial_HD.pdf



110 South Main Street, Freight Depot, 1883
Although the building no longer sits on its original raised platform and the wood structure is sheathed in corrugated metal, it still exhibits many of the character defining features of its original appearance. A simple, single‐story, gable roofed building, the deep roof overhang, roof brackets and stick style gable braces are still in
place. The bay window which originally allowed the agent or operator a clear view of the tracks is also still evident. When the Passenger (Modern) Depot was constructed, this building continued to be used as the freight depot. The building is currently being used for storage by Carhart Lumber.

Putting the address in Google maps shows the building might be a match if it has been added onto.


James Hamilton
Author:  superheater [ Mon Oct 20, 2014 3:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Carroll Park and Western Railroad Station Prototype
If you are down that way, almost directly across the street is The Terrapin, which I find somewhat Americanized, but still palatable Mexican fare.
Author:  o anderson [ Mon Oct 20, 2014 10:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Carroll Park and Western Railroad Station Prototype
Uhhh, so which came first? The CP&W depot or the Revell Small Town Station?
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Author:  Alexander D. Mitchell IV [ Mon Oct 20, 2014 11:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Carroll Park and Western Railroad Station Prototype
This webpage alleged the Revell kit dates to 1957-8:

http://ho-scaletrains.net/revellhoscale ... e/id8.html

The extant ex-C&NW depot in Wayne, now a restaurant, doesn't match one iota.

It sure LOOKS like Stahl copied the Revell kit............
Author:  jahamilton [ Tue Oct 21, 2014 11:23 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Carroll Park and Western Railroad Station Prototype
Alexander D. Mitchell IV wrote:
This webpage alleged the Revell kit dates to 1957-8:

http://ho-scaletrains.net/revellhoscale ... e/id8.html

The extant ex-C&NW depot in Wayne, now a restaurant, doesn't match one iota.


You are looking at the wrong station. The restaurant is in the brick replacement depot that was built in 1912. The possible prototype depot from 1883 is the now metal encased building that says Carhart Lumber No. 4.
Author:  Bobharbison [ Tue Oct 21, 2014 11:47 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Carroll Park and Western Railroad Station Prototype
Even if he copied the Revell kit (quite possible) where did THEY come up with the design? Sure, model railroaders can, and do, invent things from nothing, but often model kits are compressed versions of actual structures, so they have an authentic feel about them.
Author:  BerwickRailFan [ Tue Oct 21, 2014 11:50 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Carroll Park and Western Railroad Station Prototype
Thanks for the info everyone. The CP&W station sure does resemble the Revell Kit. It would make sence as the station was built sometime between 1961 and 1963. The Carhart Lumber building looks more like a freight station to me where as the CP&W looks morelike a combination station. Anyone else have any ideas to it's prototype.

Oh yeah, incase anyone is wondering why I have all the CP&W questions, it's becasue I am in the process of writting a book about the CP&W.
Author:  Alexander D. Mitchell IV [ Tue Oct 21, 2014 12:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Carroll Park and Western Railroad Station Prototype
jahamilton wrote:
Alexander D. Mitchell IV wrote:
This webpage alleged the Revell kit dates to 1957-8:

http://ho-scaletrains.net/revellhoscale ... e/id8.html

The extant ex-C&NW depot in Wayne, now a restaurant, doesn't match one iota.


You are looking at the wrong station. The restaurant is in the brick replacement depot that was built in 1912. The possible prototype depot from 1883 is the now metal encased building that says Carhart Lumber No. 4.


https://www.google.com/maps/place/Wayne ... 7ead5e1df5

Still doesn't work. Too large, wrong roof pitch.... remember, they allegedly used "plans" for this supposed station.

A cursory flip through my numerous RR station books suggests that the Revell kit is simply a "selectively compressed" fantasy of what a "small town station" should look like. The lack of decent freight space suggests a commuter station on the New York (Erie, Lackawanna, CNJ, etc.) or Chicago commuter districts dating from the 1880s.
Author:  BerwickRailFan [ Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Carroll Park and Western Railroad Station Prototype
I'm going to have to find one of those old Revell Kits and build it and paint it yellow and chocolate brown like the CP&W station orginally was.

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Author:  BerwickRailFan [ Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Carroll Park and Western Railroad Station Prototype
Here is a comparison of the front of the CP&W station and the Revell kit.

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Author:  wilkinsd [ Tue Oct 21, 2014 3:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Carroll Park and Western Railroad Station Prototype
For me, one of the the defining characteristics of the Revell kit and the CP&W depot is the coupola above the bay window. I've seen photos of C&NW depots like this. For example, the C&NW depot in Iron Mountain, MI:
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http://www.michiganrailroads.com/RRHX/S ... I-C&NW.htm[/url]

The other defining characteristic is the "porch-like" overhang on the front of the building.

I've seen photos of at least one C&NW depot that contained both elements, thus closely approximating the Revell kit and the CP&W depot. There's also an article in an older issue of Model Railroader on how to build one. Perhaps someone with the DVD can find it. The model built for the article now resides on a C&NW layout in the Chicago area.
Author:  p51 [ Tue Oct 21, 2014 4:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Carroll Park and Western Railroad Station Prototype
So, who owns the depot and water tower now? I still can't get over that both are still sitting there...
Author:  robertjohndavis [ Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Carroll Park and Western Railroad Station Prototype
I love threads like this... the intrigue... the mystery...

It is true that the C&NW had more than a few depots "similar" to Deadwood Flats. The low turret over the ticket booth is prevalent in depots from MI to the Dakotas on the C&NW. At some point the CP&W depot was attributed to a StJ&H (CB&Q design). The Q also had depots with turrets like that. Seems like a common feature across many roads.

As for the Revell kit, I would be surprised if it didn't have a prototype. When you think of early plastic
depots they almost all had prototypes (Rico, Hilside, gothic DL&W... did AHM's
Arlee have a prototype?).

Rob
Author:  BerwickRailFan [ Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:27 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Carroll Park and Western Railroad Station Prototype
Mr. Birk, the gentleman who owns Tower Micro, a computer store located between them, owns the station and water tower.
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