Doyle McCormacks PA-1

BCR_766 · **Joined:** Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:29 pm **Posts:** 14

Just a question, I understand there was a doner MLW BCOL M420B used for the prime mover on this unit. Does anyone know if there is anything left of this doner M420B? Is it still on site at the museum/organization?? Any information would be great, please PM me.
Corey

Alexander D. Mitchell IV · **Posted:** Mon Dec 01, 2014 2:34 pm

This is how little was left of it in 2004:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=69570

I'm certainly not optimistic.

On a side note, the rosters at RRPictureArchives show that of the eight built, no fewer than five succumbed to wrecks, including 688, the one McCormack bought.

BCR_766 · **Joined:** Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:29 pm **Posts:** 14

I cant see any of its remains left.... im sure its been scrapped, the only thing id like to get my hands on would be the chunk of sheet metal which says "RCL 688". The only thing salvageable would be the trucks. If anyone has any more info, or a contact let me know. Thanks again!

davew833 · **Posted:** Mon Dec 01, 2014 8:07 pm

I wonder if Doyle refers to it as a PA-1. Technically, when Morrison-Knudsen rebuilt them in 1974, they were reclassified as "PA-4s" since they had 251 prime movers, upgraded electrical equipment, etc.

Lincoln Penn · **Joined:** Wed Feb 02, 2011 9:40 pm **Posts:** 841

Maybe his should be a PA-4-2. Or even a PA-5.

CREEPING DEATH · **Joined:** Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:22 pm **Posts:** 275

davew833 wrote:

I wonder if Doyle refers to it as a PA-1. Technically, when Morrison-Knudsen rebuilt them in 1974, they were reclassified as "PA-4s" since they had 251 prime movers, upgraded electrical equipment, etc.

Lincoln Penn wrote:

Maybe his should be a PA-4-2. Or even a PA-5.

Except a real "PA-4" would have had a (16-)251B, not a 251C - the M-K rebuilds were already at least a "PA-5" and the current 'NKP 190' is more M420 than PA at this point...

Eli

Chris Webster · **Joined:** Sat Aug 25, 2007 12:45 am **Posts:** 1087

CREEPING DEATH wrote:

Except a real "PA-4" would have had a (16-)251B, not a 251C - the M-K rebuilds were already at least a "PA-5" and the current 'NKP 190' is more M420 than PA at this point...

Norman Anderson and Chris MacDermot wrote a book titled PA4 Locomotive (ISBN Number 0-89685-035-8) that was published by Chatham Publishing in June 1978. According to the book, Anderson was employed at Morrison-Knudsen in Boise while MacDermot was the D&H's Assistant Chief Mechanical Officer.

If the term "PA4" was good enough for them, that it is good enough for me!

p51 · **Posted:** Tue Dec 02, 2014 1:01 pm

I reckon Doyle could call the locomotive a Royale with Cheese if he wanted, just sayin'...

Howard P. · **Posted:** Tue Dec 02, 2014 1:05 pm

Lee for the win!