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 Post subject: Empire State Railway Museum - History
PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:44 pm 

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Hi Everyone-

I'm searching for references regarding the history of the Empire State Railway Museum, from its genesis in 1960 to its current iteration in Phoenicia. Until last month I was the webmaster for ESRM and it dawned on me I didn't know a whole lot about the organization, other than...

- They used to operate steam excursions on the Middletown & New Jersey.

- Some ESRM equipment (and members) migrated to the Valley Railroad in Connecticut in 1970-71.

- They used to publish the Steam Tourist Railroad Directory until Kalmbach took it over.

- They own a depot and a couple of random cars on a landlocked track in the middle of Ulster County.

I'm also seeking the provenance for the equipment that is currently on site. I've exhausted the limits of my Google searching ability. I think ESRM is an important part of our early railway preservation history, and their story deserves to be told.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire_St ... way_Museum

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 Post subject: Re: Empire State Railway Museum - History
PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:03 am 

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I found this listing in my guidebook of tourist railroads;
Through photos , films, and artifacts, the museum highlights the history of railroads that served the Catskills. The museum, located in the restored 1899 Ulster & Delaware Railroad station, is also restoring several railway cars and a 1910 2-8-0 locomotive. The listing also has your. e-mail address.
I am a member of a Ventura CA railroad society, and we are in the process of restoring a diesel switcher. We also have a National Embassy Pullman car we would like to sell. The inside is pristine, but the exterior needs some work.


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 Post subject: Re: Empire State Railway Museum - History
PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:40 am 

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Talisker wrote:
I found this listing in my guidebook of tourist railroads;
Through photos , films, and artifacts, the museum highlights the history of railroads that served the Catskills. The museum, located in the restored 1899 Ulster & Delaware Railroad station, is also restoring several railway cars and a 1910 2-8-0 locomotive. The listing also has your. e-mail address.


Maybe you misunderstood my original post. I was the webmaster for ESRM. I wrote this page (and the information you just read back to me):

http://esrm.com/aboutus.php

I'm looking for information about the group from 1960-1990...

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 Post subject: Re: Empire State Railway Museum - History
PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:24 am 

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Otto:

Check your email.

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 Post subject: Re: Empire State Railway Museum - History
PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:49 pm 

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Did Narraganset Pier Railroad # 11 ever operate on the M&NJ, or was 103 the steamer mentioned?
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 Post subject: Re: Empire State Railway Museum - History
PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:53 pm 

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Atlanticcoast1556 wrote:
Did Narraganset Pier Railroad # 11 ever operate on the M&NJ, or was 103 the steamer mentioned?
Mike
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103. The #11 came later and was owned by the railroad. It never ran on the M&NJ.

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 Post subject: Re: Empire State Railway Museum - History
PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:27 pm 

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So Narraganset # 11 went from rail city to her original owners then to the Middletown & New Jersey?
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 Post subject: Re: Empire State Railway Museum - History
PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:14 pm 

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Though all you young'uns used the Interwebs for all your info----

http://www.everettrailroad.com/railfans/11.aspx

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 Post subject: Re: Empire State Railway Museum - History
PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:02 pm 

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I know Narrgansett # 11 operates but you can't believe everything you read on the internet! I'm not that young younger then most.
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 Post subject: Re: Empire State Railway Museum - History
PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 9:11 pm 

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There is a YouTube video of the 103 running out of Middletown, NY in '63 or '64 (not mine)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9uSeQYO_zk

I fired the 103 there for 6 or 7 trips in the summer of "66 (or maybe '65).

Contact me through RyPN and I will tell you all I can remember, which is a limited amout, unfortunately.


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 Post subject: Re: Empire State Railway Museum - History
PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:54 pm 

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Goodness!
With all the fake news on the internet and elsewhere, I can certainly understand a bit of skepticism, however, if we cannot believe information from the official website of the locomotive's owner...
I wonder if I should bother with a 2nd edition of "The Steam Locomotive Directory of North America"!
Will it be accepted as an accurate source of information even though most of the information is provided by locomotive owners?
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 Post subject: Re: Empire State Railway Museum - History
PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:34 am 

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Hi Otto:
The title of the publication was: "The Steam Passenger Service Directory", the first edition came out in 1966 and was published annually.
Although it was published by ESRM, the driving force behind it was Steve Bogen and Marvin Cohen, both members of ESRM.
Sales of the Directory kept ESRM afloat for decades.
ESRM sold it to Mark Smith, publisher of the late and long lamented magazine: Locomotive & Railway Preservation (sort of a print version (and predecessor) of this website), who later sold it to Kalmbach.
Be well,
J.David
PS: I used to anxiously wait for the new edition each year for news of the "industry", remember: this was long before the invention of the internet! JDC


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 Post subject: Re: Empire State Railway Museum - History
PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:47 am 

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J.David wrote:
I used to anxiously wait for the new edition each year for news of the "industry", remember: this was long before the invention of the internet! JDC


In many ways the annual print issue was better than what we have today, because you could browse through and see each operation with a standard set of parameters to evaluate them by. We cannot really do that today. Each operation has their own websites, Facebook pages etc. and you have to actively search for them. Well what if you don't know they exist?

Online is good, but it has many limitations.

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 Post subject: Re: Empire State Railway Museum - History
PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:14 pm 

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Hot Metal wrote:
J.David wrote:
Each operation has their own websites, Facebook pages etc. and you have to actively search for them. Well what if you don't know they exist?


You use a directory site, like this one:
http://www.railroaddata.com/

It has an extensive list of tourist railways and museums, and is frequently updated. The tourist railway section can be found here:
http://www.railroaddata.com/rrlinks/Tou ... seums_USA/

Sorted by state, with nearly 700 listings. If your favorite isn't there, let me know and I'll add it.


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