| Railway Preservation News https://www.rypn.org/forums/ |
|
| MSI auction follow-up - where did they go? https://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=39521 |
Page 1 of 2 |
| Author: | Cliff McKay [ Tue Jun 21, 2016 9:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | MSI auction follow-up - where did they go? |
All, I was curious if anyone knows the final disposition of the items that were sold in the Museum of Science & Industry auction last fall. I know the York replica made it to the B&O Museum, but I haven't seen any info about the Mississippi locomotive, the John Stevens replica, the Rocket replica or the horse car replica. Not sure if I'm missing anything; I think that might be it. Can anyone shed some light? Cliff |
|
| Author: | softwerkslex [ Wed Jun 22, 2016 7:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MSI auction follow-up - where did they go? |
I am curious too. |
|
| Author: | Cliff McKay [ Wed Jun 22, 2016 10:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MSI auction follow-up - where did they go? |
The link below, written before the auction, has more info as well as photographs of the pieces that were auctioned. I'd forgotten about the PRR cab. The article mentions that the museum decided to keep the Rocket replica. https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/2015092 ... -old-train |
|
| Author: | Chris Webster [ Wed Sep 28, 2016 8:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MSI auction follow-up - where did they go? |
Trains is reporting that the Mississippi was acquired by Pete Claussen, owner of Knoxville, Tenn.-based Gulf & Ohio Railways: 'Mississippi' owner reveals surprise at Lexington Group meeting |
|
| Author: | Richard Glueck [ Thu Sep 29, 2016 8:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MSI auction follow-up - where did they go? |
Where did the Pennsy cab and backhead finally wind up? |
|
| Author: | Cliff McKay [ Fri Sep 30, 2016 6:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MSI auction follow-up - where did they go? |
Thanks for the tip! Great to see the Mississippi is in good hands. Here's a link to a video on the Trains website with more info: http://trn.trains.com/photos-videos/vid ... ippi-saved The video mentions an upcoming article in the November issue. |
|
| Author: | daylight4449 [ Fri Sep 30, 2016 9:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MSI auction follow-up - where did they go? |
Chris Webster wrote: Trains is reporting that the Mississippi was acquired by Pete Claussen, owner of Knoxville, Tenn.-based Gulf & Ohio Railways: 'Mississippi' owner reveals surprise at Lexington Group meeting So if I understand this right (it is behind paywall), someone thought for years that Mississippi was a british-built engine, then Pete Claussen finds out that the accepted story was wrong? How'd he reach that conclusion? |
|
| Author: | 203 [ Fri Sep 30, 2016 11:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MSI auction follow-up - where did they go? |
A paper explaining why she is American is scheduled to be published in the Spring 2017 edition of Railway History magazine. In a nutshell: 1. Only one historian has ever independently concluded that she was of English origin. That historian has been completely discredited as someone who made up what he didn't know and even forged what he presented as official documents. 2. At least four prominent historians have questioned her purported English origins. 3. She has an inside bar frame and a Bury boiler, a combination unknown in England. 4. She has a wrought iron firebox. English fireboxes of the period were copper. 5. Her boiler is 5/16th inch wrought iron. The English never used less than 3/8ths. 6. She was delivered by an employee of a New York locomotive builder and described as one of his products. 7. There is not a shred of evidence that she was built in England. Pete Claussen |
|
| Author: | softwerkslex [ Fri Sep 30, 2016 12:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MSI auction follow-up - where did they go? |
Hi Pete Sure you mean Bury boiler, and not wagon top? A Bury boiler would be like the British Lion or the John Bull. Looks like I see an ultrasound grid in the video. How does the boiler look for steaming? |
|
| Author: | 203 [ Fri Sep 30, 2016 1:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MSI auction follow-up - where did they go? |
Steven: Of course, you are right. I must have had Bury boilers on my mind. The Mississippi has a Stephenson boiler and an inside bar frame. To amplify: There were two basic types of locomotives being made in England at the time. Those of the Bury design, with a Bury boiler and an inside bar frame and those of the Stephenson design with an outside plate frame and a Stephenson boiler. John Bull is a rare hybrid with a Bury boiler and an outside plate frame, which Stevenson built that way because that is what the buyer wanted. I am unaware of any of the opposite hybrid, inside bar frame and Stevenson boiler, made in England. We did an ultrasound that established that the boiler was made from 5/16th inch wrought iron. Unfortunately time has taken its toll and the boiler now has several places that are below 2/10ths of an inch and one that is only 0.09 inches. Pete |
|
| Author: | John T [ Fri Sep 30, 2016 4:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MSI auction follow-up - where did they go? |
A chemical analyses of the boiler and other metal parts would clear up their source quickly. |
|
| Author: | 203 [ Fri Sep 30, 2016 4:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MSI auction follow-up - where did they go? |
We thought so too, but can't find a metallurgist who agrees. I'd love to be able to get that done. Pete |
|
| Author: | softwerkslex [ Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MSI auction follow-up - where did they go? |
Imagine, the last time Mississippi was steamed, it had a wrought iron spot of only 3/32 inch thickness. Living dangerously and to the fullest! |
|
| Author: | philip.marshall [ Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MSI auction follow-up - where did they go? |
These are very interesting revelations. I look forward to reading the article! -Philip Marshall |
|
| Author: | Frank J. DeStefano [ Sat Oct 01, 2016 1:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MSI auction follow-up - where did they go? |
Very interesting read, I'm sure there is crucial evidence to be revealed in the Trains article or elsewhere that points to American origin. Just out of curiosity, would the style of the locomotive guarantee the geographical location of its builder? I remember reading somewhere that around the same time period, John B. Jervis as Chief Engineer of the Mohawk and Hudson contracted with Stephenson's firm to build some 4-2-0's to his exact specifications even though the English builder never personally designed any locomotives with a bogie truck and somewhat disagreed with the practice. |
|
| Page 1 of 2 | All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ] |
| Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group http://www.phpbb.com/ |
|