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| Author: | hankmorris [ Wed Sep 18, 2002 2:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | 2-6-6-2 Baldwin in Cuba? |
Negative No. 6193, Baldwin 2-6-6-2 Mallet built in 1917. Built as road number 18 for Manati Sugar Company. Anybody know about this loco? I have builder's photo and specs. I want to know about it's life, serial number, builders number, etc. hankmorris@earthlink.net |
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| Author: | James Hefner [ Wed Sep 18, 2002 5:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2-6-6-2 Baldwin in Cuba? |
> Negative No. 6193, Baldwin 2-6-6-2 Mallet > built in 1917. > Built as road number 18 for Manati Sugar > Company. > Anybody know about this loco? I have > builder's photo and specs. I want to know > about it's life, serial number, builders > number, etc. Hi Hank, Are you sure Manti Sugar Corp. is in Cuba? I think this may be the Mallet that was originally built for Soviet Railways (along with the Russian Decapods), but when the Communists took over, it went to the Phillipines instead. It was photographed twenty of so years ago at a Sugar Mill in the Phillipines. The mill is closed now, but the Mallet may still be there. My message asking about this is long overdue on the Phillipine Railways group on Yahoo. In the photo section for the group, you will a couple of pictures taken of it. -James Hefner Hebrews 10:20a Surviving World Steam Locomotives james1@pernet.net |
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| Author: | hankmorris [ Wed Sep 18, 2002 5:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2-6-6-2 Baldwin in Cuba? |
> Hi Hank, > Are you sure Manti Sugar Corp. is in Cuba? I > think this may be the Mallet that was > originally built for Soviet Railways (along > with the Russian Decapods), but when the > Communists took over, it went to the > Phillipines instead. > It was photographed twenty of so years ago > at a Sugar Mill in the Phillipines. The mill > is closed now, but the Mallet may still be > there. My message asking about this is long > overdue on the Phillipine Railways group on > Yahoo. In the photo section for the group, > you will a couple of pictures taken of it. > -James Hefner > Hebrews 10:20a No. 18, b.n. 6193 (1917) was purchased by Central Manatà (now Minaz Mill No. 622—Argelia Libre—Las Tunas Province). So, Manati lives on as Argelia Libre. Rob Dickinson's great CD-ROM "Zafra" doesn't show this locomotive. Since its original number, 18, would have been changed anyway in 1974 when Minaz took over, and all locomotives were renumbered. I'm confident it was scrapped by now. I'd just like to get some more facts. Hank hankmorris@earthlink.net |
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| Author: | James Hefner [ Wed Sep 18, 2002 5:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Clarification/Further Notes |
Hank, The Mallet I was referring to was photographed as #8 at PASUMIL Sugar Mill, one of the Pampanga Sugar Mills on the island of Luzon. Snipped from a message posted to the Phillipines Railway group: "Baldwin built 35 Mallets for the 3'6" gauge Yaroslavo-Arkhangelskaya (Archangel)-line in 1914. The line was regauged to 1.524m in 1916 and the Mallets were transferred to the short-lived Makinskaya Railway in Caucasus and probably scrapped soon after WW I. "In 1917 Baldwin built 53 additional Mallets, but I do not know who ordered them and why, as there was no need for them in Russia and none were shipped there. Most of them were sold to Iraq, others going to Malaysia, Philippines and possibly elsewhere. "Pampanga Sugar Mills (PASUMIL) at Florida Blanca, near San Fernando, Luzon (some 60-70 km from Manila) had one, Baldwin serial 46530 of 1917, as their # 8. According to Charles S. Small it was bought in 1924 for steam generating purposes for a Alcohol plant at the mills and was never used as locomotive." Still not sure if it is still there. -James Hefner Hebrews 10:20a Surviving World Steam Locomotives james1@pernet.net |
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| Author: | hankmorris [ Wed Sep 18, 2002 6:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clarification/Further Notes |
> Hank, > The Mallet I was referring to was > photographed as #8 at PASUMIL Sugar Mill, > one of the Pampanga Sugar Mills on the > island of Luzon. > Snipped from a message posted to the > Phillipines Railway group: > "Baldwin built 35 Mallets for the > 3'6" gauge Yaroslavo-Arkhangelskaya > (Archangel)-line in 1914. The line was > regauged to 1.524m in 1916 and the Mallets > were transferred to the short-lived > Makinskaya Railway in Caucasus and probably > scrapped soon after WW I. > "In 1917 Baldwin built 53 additional > Mallets, but I do not know who ordered them > and why, as there was no need for them in > Russia and none were shipped there. Most of > them were sold to Iraq, others going to > Malaysia, Philippines and possibly > elsewhere. > "Pampanga Sugar Mills (PASUMIL) at > Florida Blanca, near San Fernando, Luzon > (some 60-70 km from Manila) had one, Baldwin > serial 46530 of 1917, as their # 8. > According to Charles S. Small it was bought > in 1924 for steam generating purposes for a > Alcohol plant at the mills and was never > used as locomotive." > Still not sure if it is still there. > -James Hefner > Hebrews 10:20a I have nothing against Florida or the Philippines, the photo from Baldwin clearly spells out the purchaser as "Manati Sugar Co., Cuba. So, I have to go with the flow. The locomotive was sold to Cuba and the sugar mill still exists. I've got all the usual specs, gauge, cylinders, weight, wheel base, etc. I don't have its serial number, builder number, build date (more than 1917) and its disposition. Also, the description says "rigid" wheel base. Does this mean the front drivers didn't pivot? hankmorris@earthlink.net |
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| Author: | Alexander D. Mitchell IV [ Wed Sep 18, 2002 9:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | It's gone, but here's the data |
> No. 18, b.n. 6193 (1917) was purchased by > Central Manatà (now Minaz Mill No. > 622—Argelia Libre—Las Tunas Province). Having been given the magic Minaz mill #, it took me three seconds to look it up. BLW 44693, built 1918. Definitely 3-foot gauge, definitely 2-6-6-2 Mallet, definitely scrapped before 1974 when MINAZ took over......... unless Alice Ramsdall had a Cuban twon and it's stashed in a barn somewhere........ lner4472@bcpl.net |
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