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 Post subject: International Car caboose list
PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2021 7:59 am 

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This may be a stretch, but is there a list anywhere online for cabooses built by International Car in Ohio?

In particular I am looking for the history of Kennecott Copper's caboose 426, an extended-vision cupola caboose which showed up on its ore hauling railroad in Utah in the early 1990s. It is *not* the former Nevada Northern's caboose 6, which is still at East Ely in Nevada.

Kennecott 426 is preserved at the Deseret Peak motor sports complex near Grantsville, Utah. It has been renumbered as KCC 416. Attached is Matt Liverani's photo of 416 as it appears on display.


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 Post subject: Re: International Car caboose list
PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2021 9:42 am 

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Info available on ICC is scarce and what you can find online is suspect. One source says it was founded in 1924 in Kenton as New City Car Company, other sources say it was started by Morrison Railway Supply out of Buffalo. The only thing I know for sure is that it was purchased by PACCAR and closed a few years after that in 1983.

I’ve never come across any sort of list for ICC production. Maybe PACCAR still has records so you might try them. Don’t expect to get a response, though. I never have.

You might try Kennecott Copper directly. They’re owned by Rio Tinto Group.

Good luck on your search.

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 Post subject: Re: International Car caboose list
PostPosted: Sat May 29, 2021 9:59 pm 

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Heard from old friend and fellow RyPN'er Tom Davidson about this. He noted that International Car's first customer for Cabooses was local road Akron Canton and Youngstown in 1947, with an order for six. At least one of which is preserved at the Copley, Ohio Historical Society depot museum, #63, probably the oldest existing International caboose.


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 Post subject: Re: International Car caboose list
PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2021 7:02 am 

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I have compiled the results of my research so far on this web page. Most of the research is from online newspapers.

https://utahrails.net/international-car.php

The project started because of a mystery caboose used by Kennecott Copper in the 1990s, and which is displayed now at a local motor sports complex. Comparison of photos strongly suggests it is a former MP car.

https://utahrails.net/bingham/bingham-c ... caboose426

Don Strack
[edited December 2023 to update the link to the International Car page.]


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 Post subject: Re: International Car caboose list
PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2021 10:32 pm 

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Simpson caboose #201 was ordered by the Chehalis Western Railroad (Weyerhaeuser) with purchase order #CW072271 as Chehalis Western #597, along with sisters 598 & 599, on June 20 1981 from Paccar. It was built by Paccar's subsidiary International Car at there Kenton Ohio plant for $80850.00 each. These three cabooses would be among the last produced by Paccar. Now in care of the Peninsular Railway & Lumbermen's Museum it is giving rides this memorial day weekend out at Simpsons former dry sort yard. [img]


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 Post subject: Re: International Car caboose list
PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 11:24 am 

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The McCloud River RR had two International cabooses.


101: Wide-vision steel, 8 wheel. Built 2/1962 by International new for railroad, cost $18,629. Car custom built to a 25-foot length rather than the 35-foot normal length for this car typle. Available service records: 11/12/1963, Install coat hooks and repair window eaves; 3/12/1964, Car dropped onto caboose track with frozen brakes, resulting in it hitting a snowplow with considerable force, derailing caboose and damaging draw bar on plow, 5 hours labor to repair. Sold 1992 to McCloud Railway Company. Wrecked 1997 in a switching accident in the McCloud yard. Stored in McCloud until sold 2007 to a private individual associated with the Shasta-Cascade Rail Preservation Society. Scheduled to be removed from the property in 2008, but still in McCloud awaiting shipment in 2020.

102: Wide-vision steel, 8 wheel. Same origin, description, and purchase price as #101. Available service records: 12/1963, Dropped generator belts. Stored out of service and derelict in McCloud yard by the late 1980s. Sold 1992 to McCloud Railway Company, who rebuilt and repainted the car for excursion service in 1996. Replaced the #101 and work caboose after the #101's accident. Damaged by fire in fall/winter 2003 and repaired. In occassional use on the railroad today.


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 Post subject: Re: International Car caboose list
PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2021 11:42 am 

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Hi All
In 1959 the Boston & Maine railroad had 38 cabooses rebuild by International Car, of Kenton, Ohio.
The cabooses were originally built by the Laconia Car company of Laconia, NH, in 1921, they had an order of 50 wood cabooses built by them.
By the time the late 1950s came along, 12 cabooses were taken out of service for various reasons.
The cabooses had their wooden bodies replaced by steel bodies, but they retained their original trucks, which were fiction bearing. The cabooses were renumbered after the rebuilding to C-100 to C-137, by International Car.
There is an excellent article written by Clyde R. Smith that appeared in the Boston & Maine Historical Society B&M Bulletin in the winter issue of 1977/1978 on the rebuilding, Called Those Everlasting Buggies.
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 Post subject: Re: International Car caboose list
PostPosted: Sat Jun 19, 2021 12:18 am 

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This car was built in 1974 as Missouri Pacific 13661 according to https://sites.google.com/site/railwaypr ... ri-pacific

Unfortunately I don't know where or if a builders list or records for the International Car Co. still exist.

Don


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