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Trainkid456 [ Thu Apr 05, 2018 12:01 pm ]

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Mystery Caboose

Hi,

I found this boarded up caboose yesterday just off of Veteran's Parkway in Bloomington, Illinois near the Famous Dave's restaurant. I walked around it and climbed onto the strawberry patch where I found a stamp that said "C&O C-177." I have no idea of this caboose's origins and since I'm not a big eastern railroad fan, I don't know what the stamp means. Any information would be much appreciated. And for all of you foamers, don't worry, the trucks are sitting nearby and are fully intact.

Thomas

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Author:	boblenon [ Thu Apr 05, 2018 5:49 pm ]
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So Lehigh Valley N5 style. Correct window arrangement; cast steps etc. http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/rsList ... d=LV&cid=1 Apparently the rock island got some second hand from the lv... http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/rsPict ... ?id=204613 I'd imagine that is the likely reason it is in IL... or someone saved it from Conrail... Hope that helps... PS. If you had a better resolution you may be able to decode the ACI tag.

Author:	Les Beckman [ Thu Apr 05, 2018 6:30 pm ]
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boblenon - Looks like the LV cabooses had two sets of double windows; this car has two sets of single windows. My guess is not ex-LV, unless there were some OTHER Lehigh Valley center cupola cabooses. Thomas - I was just on Veteran's Parkway in Bloomington two weeks ago. Wish I had noticed it. The key to the identity may be the trucks. Did you happen to see if any railroad initials were cast into them? Les

Author:	TrainDetainer [ Thu Apr 05, 2018 6:44 pm ]
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Quote: So Lehigh Valley N5 style. Correct window arrangement; cast steps etc. NOT. LV N5s have 4 body windows, this has two. Cast steps yes, but LV castings are 3 steps, this has two, with distinctive stepbacks, not LV. Looks to me like a C&O 902xx series. See https://www.kohs.com/Caboose_Pages/CO_S ... Intro.html Also the single small end window matches these. Also look for numbers on the center sill and C&O casting marks on the truck frames, and yes, a good view of the tag would go a long way to proper ID. Trainkid - climbed up on the 'strawberry patch'?

Author:	Randall Hicks [ Thu Apr 05, 2018 7:24 pm ]
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I'll be heading that way tomorrow, as it happens. Where exactly is it relative to Famous Dave's?

Author:	J3a-614 [ Thu Apr 05, 2018 7:49 pm ]
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Just an interesting tidbit, Missouri Pacific had very similar cars, from Magor. Steps were different, though, being of sheet metal "Pullman" style rather than the cast steps C&O used. Source: http://www.trainweb.org/screamingeagle/caboose1.html

Author:	boblenon [ Thu Apr 05, 2018 8:50 pm ]
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well chalk that up to me having a long day :)

Author:	jayrod [ Thu Apr 05, 2018 9:10 pm ]
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Cast steps, single windows with awnings, that looks extremely C&O-ish. If someone has a roster.... Can't find one online.

Author:	Les Beckman [ Thu Apr 05, 2018 9:49 pm ]
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Eric - I agree that it looks like C&O or Pere Marquette. The number mentioned though (C-177), is not a C&O or PM series number as I recall. Les

Author:	PMC [ Fri Apr 06, 2018 7:07 am ]
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I lived 200 feet from Veteran's Parkway (and the former IC Bloomington District, in the process of being torn out at that time) exactly 30 years ago, but there was no Famous Dave's then. Could you give us a cross street? I don't recognize the yellow brick building, unless it is the old GE plant.

Author:	Trainkid456 [ Fri Apr 06, 2018 7:46 am ]
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Hi, PMC and Randall--The closest address to the caboose I can find is 1602 Commerce Parkway. It's located about 100 feet due east of that address. Les--I did not closely inspect the trucks although now I wish I would have. I may go back out that way this weekend to take a closer look if I have some time. TrainDetainer--The term "strawberry patch" is what I was told as a kid meant the platforms on either end of the caboose, most likely an old railroad nickname. Thomas

Author:	jayrod [ Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:58 am ]
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Les Beckman wrote: Eric - I agree that it looks like C&O or Pere Marquette. The number mentioned though (C-177), is not a C&O or PM series number as I recall. Les I agree - that doesn't fit as a car number. Or a class number. But it certainly looks like one of those built around '41-'42 or so. Magor or St. Louis maybe? Don't recall, not enough coffee yet....

Author:	TrainDetainer [ Fri Apr 06, 2018 3:49 pm ]
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According to the Kohs site I posted earlier, they were built for C&O and PM by AC&F in '49, but I'm not a follower of either road so FWIW. C&O 90219 is displayed with Blt 7-49. PM numbers appear to be A9xx numbered but A909 is stenciled Blt 12-34 and A986 appears to be 12-41. Another item - notice the end window on the non-stove end of PM units is on the right. On the mystery unit it's on the left, but it appears that 90219 might be as well as the only pic I see doesn't show the jack (unless 90219 is actually a PM unit standing in for or swapped in at some point by C&O). Thomas - never heard of platforms called strawberry patches - interesting. I have heard of fields of red dwarf signals at large passenger terminals called that. I first heard it at Tower 49 at Buffalo.

Author:	PMC [ Sat Apr 07, 2018 8:48 pm ]
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Trainkid456 wrote: Hi, PMC and Randall--The closest address to the caboose I can find is 1602 Commerce Parkway. It's located about 100 feet due east of that address. That is on the south-east end of town, not far from the old Peoria and Eastern/PC/Conrail line, which NS is planning to tear out if they haven't already.

Author:	PMC [ Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:49 pm ]
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Is this the same caboose: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... id=4317681 It was removed from a restaurant at the old GM&O depot in Lincoln IL a few years back, which I just remembered: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=38657&hilit=passenger+car+road+northern+illinois Someone on a closed facebook group told me the building has slot machines in it and that the caboose will be part of that operation somehow.

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