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BigBoy 4023
Post subject: Re: UP 8500 turbines?
Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 12:27 pm


Joined: Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:40 am
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Susan, I am very interested in the UP documents and would love to have a look at them. Not much in the way of technical data seems to be available for the UP steam turbine electrics. Maybe this info could be put together as a web archive for UP fans?

Robert






Overmod
Post subject: Re: UP 8500 turbines?
Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 2:41 pm


Joined: Thu May 24, 2012 1:37 pm
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The section of the turbine, alone, is likely a major piece of significant documentation. The others that have been listed are significant. I thoroughly support having these files digitized at relatively high resolution and quality and posted where they can serve as a resource.

Susan Yosten is familiar already to many PRR aficionados as having provided an enormous range of historical material unavailable from any other source.

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syoste51
Post subject: Re: UP 8500 turbines?
Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 3:31 pm


Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:51 pm
Posts: 19
Location: USA PA 16508
Bigboy, Overmod and others:

Thank you for the support. I've set the UP file aside to take to work tomorrow and scan a few things to try to post here. There is other related info as used by other railroads, domestic and foreign, and as power plants.

Overmod-thank you for the kind words. They mean a great deal to me.

Susan






syoste51
Post subject: Re: UP 8500 turbines?
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:39 pm


Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:51 pm
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Location: USA PA 16508
Here's some images from the collection---will have scanned with better quality if interested.
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Locos under construction.pdf [122.05 KiB]
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Photo-50M1-3.pdf [58.05 KiB]
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Diagram-single stage steam turbine.pdf [42.5 KiB]
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Loco steam power plant piping diagram.pdf [39.27 KiB]
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Boiler aux turbine gear pump.pdf [54.83 KiB]
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Hatch covers removed.pdf [93.85 KiB]
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Operators position.pdf [120.94 KiB]
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Bailey meter panel.pdf [91.4 KiB]
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This was in the file-unrelated but interesting-more info please?
It's lettered for UP as M-11 and photo credit goes to Louis Bostwick, commercial photographer in Omaha.
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M-11.pdf [73.64 KiB]
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Thanks for viewing,

Susan Yosten
Raised a mile from GE's test track






BigBoy 4023
Post subject: Re: UP 8500 turbines?
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:21 pm


Joined: Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:40 am
Posts: 179
Anyone have complete builders drawings for the steam electrics?

Susan, Thank you for the scans. I have never been able to find any pictures of the cab interior of the steam electric. Now I can see that in controlling these locos that they are similar to a Milw EF4 electric locomotive in cab controls.

Robert






survivingworldsteam
Post subject: Re: UP 8500 turbines?
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:10 pm


Joined: Sun Aug 22, 2004 1:45 am
Posts: 1118
Location: Beaumont, Texas
Hi Susan;

This is incredible stuff. I have never seen anything like That is the first and only time I have seen the UP steam turbine locomotive with a "B"unit in the middle!

I will be glad to help you with digitizing this if you want; but I would just put it up on Flickr. This organization may be able to get it out to more people:

http://uphs.org/

This has been a great thread. Thank again everyone for contributing; I have learned and seen so much.

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Hebrews 10:20a

Surviving World Steam Project - New Address!

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Overmod
Post subject: Re: UP 8500 turbines?
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:38 pm


Joined: Thu May 24, 2012 1:37 pm
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Quote:
"This was in the file-unrelated but interesting-more info please?
It's lettered for UP as M-11 and photo credit goes to Louis Bostwick, commercial photographer in Omaha."


This is a McKeen car rebuilt to be more like a conventional gas/diesel-electric (note the different trucks). I am certain it has been documented in some of Keilty's 'doodlebugs' books but I don't have access to my library to confirm the details. This may very well be a previously unpublished picture.

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BigBoy 4023
Post subject: Re: UP 8500 turbines?
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:39 pm


Joined: Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:40 am
Posts: 179
Unless I am mistaken? The a-b-a set looks like a set of Fairbanks Morse locos.

Robert






survivingworldsteam
Post subject: Re: UP 8500 turbines?
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:47 pm


Joined: Sun Aug 22, 2004 1:45 am
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Location: Beaumont, Texas
BigBoy 4023 wrote:
Unless I am mistaken? The a-b-a set looks like a set of Fairbanks Morse locos.

Robert


You are right Robert; I stand corrected.

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John T
Post subject: Re: UP 8500 turbines?
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:43 pm


Joined: Sun Sep 14, 2014 5:05 pm
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According to Keilty Union pacific #M-11 was McKeen #11 built in 1907. It was rebuilt by GE in 1925 and retired in 1942.






syoste51
Post subject: Re: UP 8500 turbines?
Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:01 pm


Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:51 pm
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Location: USA PA 16508
I'm learning so much-thank you!

Here's some more photos

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Enjoy and enlighten us,

Susan Yosten
I'll miss sitting by the GE test tracks seeing what's new






BigBoy 4023
Post subject: Re: UP 8500 turbines?
Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:12 pm


Joined: Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:40 am
Posts: 179
Thank you Susan. I am really enjoying seeing how the UP steam turbines were constructed. Still hoping someone comes across a set of builders drawings for them? I would seriously consider a new build steam electric if I was a millionaire. It's a real shame one of them did not survive.

Robert






syoste51
Post subject: Re: UP 8500 turbines?
Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:29 pm


Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:51 pm
Posts: 19
Location: USA PA 16508
Robert---I'm glad you're enjoying the photos. I love the various locos on the shop floor of building 10.

That's the extent of my UP-specific collection. If you tell me, though, that the a UP loco is the same as one some other railroad had, I can look in the files for that other railroad and see what I have to share. Or to look for a diagram of a certain headlight or pony truck or other part that would be in the 'parts' file, or a specifically-numbered locomotive that is in the 'numbered locomotives' file. The GE collection goes back to around 1910 with a lot of 'trolley cars' too. Sorry, but as I learn I have to grab onto anything recognizable to start organizing the collection---refinements come with education.

Susan Yosten
Erie, PA






syoste51
Post subject: Re: UP 8500 turbines?
Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:17 pm


Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:51 pm
Posts: 19
Location: USA PA 16508
In my other UP documents I have an original linen "1897 Union Pacific Locomotives & Tenders Office Sup't, M.P&M. Folio 200" in which it has the diagrams and details regarding cylinders, wheels, journals, boiler & weight of engine for the following:

8 wheeled engine No. 842
10 wheeled engines 900 and 1000 class
6 wheeled switching engines No's. 1100 to 1115
6 wheeled switching eng's no's. 1151 to 1170
Con. engine no's 1301 to 1311
10 wheeled engines 1400 class 62 in. drivers
10 wheeled engine no. 1405
Schenectady compound con. engine no's 1320 to 1321
Baldwin compound con. engine no's. 1620 to 1621
Baldwin compound con. engine no's 1622 to 1639
Baldwin compound con engine no's 1640 to 1679
Baldwin compound 10 w. engine no's 1830 t 1839
Con. engine no's 1600 to 1617
10 wheeled engine no. 1701
10 wheeled engine no. 1800
Con. engine no's 1500 to 1507
10 wheeled engine no 1703 to 1742
10 wheeled engines 1800 class 62 in. drivers
6000 gallon tender engines 1640 to 1679 New nos 420-459 April 1901
2900 gallon tender
4000 gallon tender
5000 gallon tender
5000 gallon tender eng's 1620 to 1639
6000 gallon tender eng's 1820 to 1839 April 1901 New no's 1320 to 1339
Diagrams only for:
18x24 ten wheel eng 900 class rebuilt
20x24 con. engine no's 1301 to 1311
18x26 eight wheel engine no's 831 to 840inc.

Next booklet, tobacco-brown paper: Union Pacific System O S L R R Loco and tender diagrams Oregon Short Line R. R. Co. 1921 with updates to 1929

Engines 510-524 BLW 1901 Consolidation locomotives 8/17/1923
Engines 525-527 529-539 BLW 1903 consolidation locomotives 8/17/1923-11/1929
Engine 528 BLW 1903 consolidation
Engines 550-554 consolidations Cooke 1899-1900
Engines 560-622 consolidation 560-571 BLW '04,572-593 BLW '06,594-618 BLW '07,619-622 Alco 1908
Engine 59 Shay Lima 1902
Engine 61 Shay Lima 1907
"Engines 1530" 10-wheel locos Cooke 1891 Engs 1531&1535 retired 1927
Engines 1556 & 1558 10-wheel locos Cooke 1899 1554 retired 11/15/23, 1555 ret'd 5/25/25, 1560&61 ret'd 6/25/2? 1557 & 59 12/7/??

Engines 1572-1583 10-wheel passenger locos BLW 1572-78 '09, 1579-83 1911
Engines 2000-2034 without stokersBLW 2000-14 '11, 2015-34 1912
Engines 2000-2034 with stokers BLW 2000-14 1911, 2015-34 1912
U.P. Engines 2305 to 2310 operating on O.S.L. Mikado psgr/frt Alco 1920
Engines 2504 to 2524 without stokers "Built. 2504-13,2519-24 BLW 1913:25?5-18 ALCO '12"

Engines 2504-2524 with stokers Mikado Built 2504-13 2519-24 BLW 1913, 2515-18 ALCO 1912

Engines 2525-2526 Mikado psgr/freight Lima 1914
Engine 2527 Mikado psgr/frt Lima 1914
Engines 2535-2554 USRA light Mikado 2-8-2-A ALCO 2535-2539 '18 2540-54 '19
Engines 2528-2532 Mikado psgr/frt BLW 1917
Engines 2555 to 2564 Mikado ALCO 1921
Engines 3100-3113 Pacific type psgr BLW 3100-3103 1906, 3104-3113 1911
Engines 3114-3123, 3125-3129, 3131-3133 Pacific psgr 31114-3132 ALCO 1912
3124-3128 ALCO 1913, 3129-3133 Lima 1914 3124 & 3130 sold to UP

Engines 3134-3138 Pacivid psgr BLW 1919
Engine 3400 Atlantic psgr BLW 1904
Engine 3401-3411 Atlantic psgr 3401-3407 BLW 1904 3408-3411 ALCO 1908

UP engines operating on OSL Engines 3630-3633 Mallet Consolidation frt ALCO 1920

Engines 3704-3705 Mallet consolidation frt ALCO 1923

Engines 4703,04,05,07,08,09,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,20 & 4721 6-wheel switch
4703-4709 ALCO 1908, 4710-4714 BLW 1906, 4718-4721 BLW 1907


Engine 4723 6-wheel switch BLW 1901

Engines 4725, 4728, 4729 6-wheel switch Cooke 1901 (eng 472 & 4727 retired 7/27/1927)


Engines 4730-4734 6-wheel switch BLW 1904

Engines 4735-4739 6-wheel switch BLW 1912

Engines 4740-4744 6-wheel switch Lima 1914

Engines 4748-4752 6-wheel switch BLW 1918

Engine 4745 Consolidation-switch loco "Built: 4745 Cooke-1897. Chgd from nos. 500-502 1917" "Eng 4747 ret. 5-31-28 eng 4746 retired 7-27-27"


Engines 4753-4757 USRA-0-6-0 light switch ALCO 1919

Engine 4758 6-wheel switch Baldwin 1905

Engines 4759-4763 6-wheel switch Baldwin 4759-60 1906, 4761-63 1907

Engines 5300-5305 Santa-Fe 2-10-2 BLW 1918

Engs 5306-5313 with feed water heater & booster Santa-Fe 2-10-2 Amer Loco 1923

Engines 5314-5318 Santa-Fe 2-10-2 BLW 1923

UP engines 7000 to 7039 Mountain type psgr Amer Loco 1922


Also various switch/rectangular/cylindrical tenders of various capacities.


I'll have scanned if there is interest---I don't know if already published elsewhere or not.
Please correct any typos---it was a pleasant but long day going through boxes in my archives and I am going cross-eyed.

Enjoy,

Susan Yosten

Erie, PA






syoste51
Post subject: GE-built steam turbine engines sold to UP-was UP 8500 turbin
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:25 pm


Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:51 pm
Posts: 19
Location: USA PA 16508
syoste51 wrote:
Here's some images from the collection---will have scanned with better quality if interested.
Attachment:
Locos under construction.pdf

Attachment:
Photo-50M1-3.pdf

Attachment:
Diagram-single stage steam turbine.pdf

Attachment:
Loco steam power plant piping diagram.pdf

Attachment:
Boiler aux turbine gear pump.pdf

Attachment:
Hatch covers removed.pdf

Attachment:
Operators position.pdf

Attachment:
Bailey meter panel.pdf


This was in the file-unrelated but interesting-more info please?
It's lettered for UP as M-11 and photo credit goes to Louis Bostwick, commercial photographer in Omaha.
Attachment:
M-11.pdf


Thanks for viewing,

Susan Yosten
Raised a mile from GE's test track


REPOSTED AT THE RECOMMENDATION OF R. M. ELLSWORTH WITH APOLOGIES FOR PRIOR DRIFTING AND ANY FAUX PAS IN FORUM POSTING METHODS.

Where is the photo of McKeen #11?

Are you absolutely sure those "Steamotives" were sold to UP, or were they just
loaned/tested on UP?