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Author: | Kevin Gilliam [ Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:12 am ] |
Post subject: | 1943 Porter Diesel in Bristol - Needs Saving |
Per facebook posts from Mike Tilley with the Watauga Valley NRHS chapter, there is a 1943 Porter diesel in Bristol, VA. Used in conjunction with the Bristol & Northwestern shortline. Last operated 30 years ago. Rebuilt trucks, but friction bearings. Will have to be trucked out. Owner is willing to let go for scrap value, but time is VERY limited. Any serious offers, please get in touch with Mike Tilley of Watauga NRHS. I do have a phone number for Mike Tilley if needed. Attachment: Bristol Porter.jpg [ 176.98 KiB | Viewed 10101 times ] |
Author: | o anderson [ Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:11 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1943 Porter Diesel in Bristol - Needs Saving |
That's interesting, a streamlined light switcher. Here is a photo of it in service, https://donsdepot.donrossgroup.net/dr4427.htm https://donsdepot.donrossgroup.net/dr1105/bnw5.jpg According to the Don Ross pages, it was apparently was #5 Quote: 5, 65 Ton, was built by Porter in April 1944, #7646, as Jackson Iron & Steel Co 5. It was sold to B&NW as 5 in 1981 and later sold to Lonesome Pine RR. I had forgotten that the Bristol and Northwestern was a tourist railroad that featured CB&Q 4960. http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1947923 http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2257846 http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3701109 |
Author: | WVNorthern [ Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:36 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1943 Porter Diesel in Bristol - Needs Saving |
I thought Porter only made small steam engines. What prime mover did Porter use? |
Author: | Brian Norden [ Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:51 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1943 Porter Diesel in Bristol - Needs Saving |
WVNorthern wrote: I thought Porter only made small steam engines. Porter built steam locomotives up to 2-8-2 for logging operations. IIRC, during World War Two it built some of the US Army narrow-gauge 2-8-2s that were used (or intended for) overseas use.
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Author: | FeGua 200 [ Wed Nov 04, 2020 4:01 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1943 Porter Diesel in Bristol - Needs Saving |
I hope it finds a good home. How complete is it? Does anybody know how much it weighs? For what it's worth, Porter also made narrow gauge diesel locomotives. A very interesting example was used on the 3' gauge FCHH (Huancayo & Huancavelica RR) in Peru. It looked much more streamlined than this one. I had found a photo of it, but lost which site it came from. Take care and be safe, John P.S. OH! How could I forget about the IRCA 154-156, which were fairly large 3' gauge 2-8-2s built in 1930. (They were about the same size as the D&RGW K-27s.) |
Author: | Les Beckman [ Wed Nov 04, 2020 4:44 pm ] | ||
Post subject: | Re: 1943 Porter Diesel in Bristol - Needs Saving | ||
The Porter diesel there in Bristol, VA looks as if it could be a sister to the Porter here at the Hoosier Valley Railroad Museum. Our Porter is s/n 7391 built 9/42 and is a Model DE65. The Porter there in Bristol does have a different headlight casing, but otherwise seems to be similar. The photo shows s/n 7391 in HVRM's Shop as she undergoes a slow but steady restoration to active service. Not sure how many of these DE65's were built, or just how many still survive. Would be nice if some organization could save the engine in Bristol. Les
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Author: | scratchyX1 [ Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:17 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1943 Porter Diesel in Bristol - Needs Saving |
Kevin Gilliam wrote: Per facebook posts from Mike Tilley with the Watauga Valley NRHS chapter, there is a 1943 Porter diesel in Bristol, VA. Used in conjunction with the Bristol & Northwestern shortline. Last operated 30 years ago. Rebuilt trucks, but friction bearings. Will have to be trucked out. Owner is willing to let go for scrap value, but time is VERY limited. Any serious offers, please get in touch with Mike Tilley of Watauga NRHS. I do have a phone number for Mike Tilley if needed. Attachment: Bristol Porter.jpg I rode the B&NW, and always wondered why it failed. |
Author: | elecuyer [ Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:31 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1943 Porter Diesel in Bristol - Needs Saving |
FeGua 200 wrote: How complete is it? Does anybody know how much it weighs? I was provided this information by Mr. Tilley: It looks like about everything is still on engine and the trucks and traction motors were rebuilt just months before it was parked in 1990. It can be trucked out but with it setting out in weather and the windows broke out, it's going to be a rebuild. I understand it's 55 tonner. There are more photos/info at this link: https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php? ... 8221843231 |
Author: | Alexander D. Mitchell IV [ Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:34 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1943 Porter Diesel in Bristol - Needs Saving |
According to the sources I'm looking at, this should be a 65-tonner, not a 55-tonner; Porter built 45- and 65-tonners, with 49 of the latter built between 1942 and Porter being taken over by Davenport in 1950. The specifics of this loco date it to the "middle" phase between 1943 and 1946 or so. |
Author: | twofoot [ Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:10 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1943 Porter Diesel in Bristol - Needs Saving |
My understanding is that it will be saved. There are two interested parties, with one being a bit faster to stake its claim than the other. Rest easy gentlemen. Chris |
Author: | o anderson [ Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:34 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1943 Porter Diesel in Bristol - Needs Saving |
scratchyX1 said: Quote: I rode the B&NW, and always wondered why it failed. I was curious too. From what I see on RYPN, we have a few inklings: A post in 2003: http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4757&p=22230 Quote: SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA SCENIC RR Ran in late 1974 and during 1975 on a portion of the Southern Ry Bristol line. Ran east from Hiltons, VA. Beautiful scenery, but was off the beaten path=few riders. Used some of the ex-Quakertown & Eastern excursion equipment including ex-Buffalo Creck & Gauley 2-8-0 4 and fleet of ex-Reading steel coaches and the "Reading Rambles" baggage car. Also had a Baldwin diesel switcher from Tennessee Eastman. The equipment made its way to the NCTM at Spencer, NC. BRISTOL & NORTHWESTERN RR Same line, different direction, different chooch. Ran the SOU Bristol line west out of its namesake town briefly during early 1980's. Leased famed CB&Q 2-8-2 4960 (then still in CB&Q appearence) from then-owner Mid-Continent Railway Museum. 4960 hauled several lightweight coaches. A classy little operation that died along with its owner/operator Harold Keene. 2010 http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=30062&p=146908 Quote: Chicago, Burlington & Quincy No. 4960, a big 2-8-2 built in 1923 by Baldwin, was delivered by the C&NW under its own steam to the Mid-Continent lead as a donation by Circus World Museum in Baraboo in 1966. Apparently this locomotive was donated to Circus World Museum by the Burlington to pull their circus train to Milwaukee and CWM did not want it. The locomotive was driven into the south yard at Mid-Continent where it sat for years, being too big for the Mid-Continent main line. CB&Q No. 4960 was leased to the Bristol & Northwestern in Tennessee in 1981 where it ran for two years before it was dismantled for repair. No progress and few rent checks were made over a number of years so the locomotive and parts were sold to the Grand Canyon Railroad. 2011 http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=31743&p=161189 Quote: In other coal news, Harold Keene (old timers will remember that he owned the short lived tourist railway: Bristol & Northwestern and operated former CB&Q No. 4960 on lease from Mid-Continent) has sold his coal operations to Jewell. Harold's coal was a bit smokey but he always seemed to have enough in stock to fill small orders. Jewell has moved their corperate offices from coal country (Knoxville) to the commodity capitol: Chicago. ... but those three references seem to be about it. |
Author: | David H. Hamley [ Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:00 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1943 Porter Diesel in Bristol - Needs Saving |
According to data from Westinghouse Electric Corp. files Porter b/n 7646 was shipped on 4/3/1944 as Jackson Iron & Steel #2. It is a 65 ton d/e powered by two Cummins HBIS-600 engines rated at 175 HP each. It had two Westinghouse 193PC main generators and four Westinghouse 1443A traction motors with a 16:1 gear ratio to 36" wheels. Westinghouse's involvement included the presence of a field service engineer at the Porter plant during final tests of the loco. Reports filed by that engineer that have provided details of Westinghouse-equipped Porters. When I found this loco at Jackson, OH in the late 1960s it was still #2 and appeared to be in frequent use. One oddity is that it did not have the expected Porter badge shaped bullder's plates. Instead there was a framed placard inside the cab explaining that it was serial number 7646 and that wartime material shortages necessitated the omission of serial number plates. Of the many WWII era Porters I've seen and examined this was the only case of plate omission that I've come across. |
Author: | PaulWWoodring [ Thu Nov 05, 2020 11:51 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1943 Porter Diesel in Bristol - Needs Saving |
It's not surprising to me that a couple of JISCO Diesel switchers ended up on the Bristol and Northwestern. A few on here, like me, know that #4960 ended up in Jackson, OH around 1980-'81 for overhaul work while Jerry Jacobson was rebuilding 0-6-0 JISCO #3 (BLW #26). For awhile the old JISCO mill site was something of a hotbed of railroad restoration, with those two steam locomotives and Dave Corbitt's ex-D&RGW, ex-PM lounge car Eagle Canon (I don't have the capability of adding the Spanish accent mark) all there being worked on. It all ended rather quickly by early 1983 when something happened (I think the site had been sold for scrapping), and everything had to be removed or lose their connection to the outside world. It was at that point that Jerry arranged to move and store #3 at the Mad River & NKP Museum in Bellevue. |
Author: | Les Beckman [ Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:48 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1943 Porter Diesel in Bristol - Needs Saving |
twofoot wrote: My understanding is that it will be saved. There are two interested parties, with one being a bit faster to stake its claim than the other. Rest easy gentlemen. Chris Chris - Please keep us posted, as best you can. Les |
Author: | GTW Dude [ Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:52 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1943 Porter Diesel in Bristol - Needs Saving |
Sorry to be this type of guy, but did the 65 tonner eventually move? |
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