Here is Erie Mining's Taconite Trail. Reportedly in Larkin's collection in Escanaba, Mich.
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| Author: | rwkpullman [ Thu Feb 17, 2022 2:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Existing HVYWT Pullman Sunroom cars? |
Hello.. I was wondering how many heavyweight Pullman sunroom cars are left? For example; the Palm series ; Plan 3975 built in 1929. Thank you Roger |
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| Author: | Howard P. [ Thu Feb 17, 2022 8:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Existing HVYWT Pullman Sunroom cars? |
By "sunroom", do you specifically mean "solarium observation, with high windows on the car side"? Or simply any enclosed-end Pullman solarium observation car? Howard P. |
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| Author: | BNSFWarren no2 [ Fri Feb 18, 2022 9:21 am ] | ||
| Post subject: | Re: Existing HVYWT Pullman Sunroom cars? | ||
Here is Erie Mining's Taconite Trail. Reportedly in Larkin's collection in Escanaba, Mich.
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| Author: | wilkinsd [ Fri Feb 18, 2022 12:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Existing HVYWT Pullman Sunroom cars? |
I believe there's one at the Rails West Museum in Council Bluffs of Burlington heritage. |
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| Author: | rwkpullman [ Fri Feb 18, 2022 1:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Existing HVYWT Pullman Sunroom cars? |
Hello David Yes, you are correct. I believe that is the CBQ Omaha Club |
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| Author: | rwkpullman [ Fri Feb 18, 2022 1:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Existing HVYWT Pullman Sunroom cars? |
Hello Howard Yes, Solarium or Sunroom is correct. I am wondering just how many are still in existence! |
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| Author: | PrrOpCrew [ Fri Feb 18, 2022 1:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Existing HVYWT Pullman Sunroom cars? |
The Altoona Railroaders Memorial Museum in Altoona has the former PRR Heavyweight Pullman "Union League Club" in their collection, awaiting restoration some day. More info: http://www.trainweb.org/altoona-ry-museum-club/U_League.htm |
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| Author: | wilkinsd [ Fri Feb 18, 2022 2:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Existing HVYWT Pullman Sunroom cars? |
Kentucky Railway Museum has the 10 section Solarium Observation Car Mt. Broderick Midwest Railway Preservation Society in Cleveland has Mt. Baxter of the same design. Old Dominion Chapter NRHS has Pullman Dinwiddie County Rail Giants Museum has NKP business car number 6, the former Carleton Club Sister car Kitchi Gami Club is privately owned. Heber Valley has a solarium car of Canadian extraction. I'm not sure if it's of CP or CNR heritage. |
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| Author: | Schultz [ Fri Feb 18, 2022 3:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Existing HVYWT Pullman Sunroom cars? |
Heber Valley has former Canadian Pacific solarium River Clare. |
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| Author: | heatermason [ Fri Feb 18, 2022 5:23 pm ] | |||
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wilkinsd wrote: I believe there's one at the Rails West Museum in Council Bluffs of Burlington heritage. Believe this is the car you mention in poor shape in 2017. Chain link fence also prevented easy photos. Timothy
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| Author: | wesp [ Fri Feb 18, 2022 5:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Existing HVYWT Pullman Sunroom cars? |
River Clare in earlier livery as Craigflower. Kitchi Gammi Club is an enclosed former open platform car. Dinwiddie County National Register Report Wesley |
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| Author: | rwkpullman [ Fri Feb 18, 2022 6:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Existing HVYWT Pullman Sunroom cars? |
Let me be more specific. Three tall windows in the end of the car. That room is bordered by an interior wall then more lounge seat on the other side of the wall. built to plan 3975 |
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| Author: | Jack Powell [ Fri Feb 18, 2022 6:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Existing HVYWT Pullman Sunroom cars? |
"Kentucky Railway Museum has the 10 section Solarium Observation Car Mt. Broderick Midwest Railway Preservation Society in Cleveland has Mt. Baxter of the same design. Old Dominion Chapter NRHS has Pullman Dinwiddie County Rail Giants Museum has NKP business car number 6, the former Carleton Club Sister car Kitchi Gami Club is privately owned. Heber Valley has a solarium car of Canadian extraction. I'm not sure if it's of CP or CNR heritage." Not to call out Mr. Wilkins in particular, but most if not all of the cars he mentions are simply enclosed (as opposed to open) observation-lounge cars, with various sleeping accommodations. A solarium or sunroom car is characterized by the high windows (with transom sash) mentioned in Howard's post, and shown in Timothy's photos. Other typical "spotting features" of a solarium are the absence of a rear-end diaphragm (at least as-built), a short brass-railed gate across the end opening, and a pair of narrow double end doors that could be opened to create something of the feel of an open platform for travelers in the short solarium area, which was typically furnished with wicker chairs and separated by a bulkhead from the main lounge. "Sun-parlors", sunrooms, or solariums, similarly furnished, were trendy features of nicer homes of the 1920s, and Pullman appears to have simply been following that fashion. There were also open-platform observation cars with high (non-transom) windows throughout the observation lounge, such as the NYC-assigned "Valley" series cars used on the 20th Century Limited. Some were later rebuilt with vestibules having deep windows in the end sheets and special deep-windowed vestibule doors, while retaining their former observation platform windows, all amounting to a see-through vestibule and some of the appearance a solarium car, but without any actual solarium seating area. |
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| Author: | mcgrath618 [ Fri Feb 18, 2022 8:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Existing HVYWT Pullman Sunroom cars? |
PrrOpCrew wrote: The Altoona Railroaders Memorial Museum in Altoona has the former PRR Heavyweight Pullman "Union League Club" in their collection, awaiting restoration some day. More info: http://www.trainweb.org/altoona-ry-museum-club/U_League.htm I’m sure the real Union League could throw a few dollars their way. Hell, maybe they’d even want a private car themselves. |
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| Author: | EJ Berry [ Fri Feb 18, 2022 8:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Existing HVYWT Pullman Sunroom cars? |
The actual Union League Club in Philadelphia was founded in 1862 to help preserve the Union among the States. during the Civil War. Since then, it has been The Club in a city with many Clubs. Yes, it has plenty of $$$ should its members want to preserve its namesake railcar. I'm sure PRR executives were among its founders https://www.unionleague.org/about.php Phil Mulligan |
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