When I was very young I remeber reading this book and it seems that everytime I come home for break I always take it out. I was wondering what's happend to some of these engines since the book was published 39 years ago. I know some information can be found on the internet but does anyone here have anything to contribute?

What of the narrow gauge 0-4-0s in Augusta, GA?
M&B 444 still exists in FL, but in a muti-colored scheme appartently.
Any of the West Side Lumber shays?
Atlantic and Western (NC) engines?
What's the condition of "two hundred tons of junk" NKP 624? Did I hear a restoration prospect for her?
What's the condition of MEC 470 in Waterville?
How about those 0-6-0's in Ogden? Are they the ones at the museum?
Did any engines escape Northwestern besides the 0-8-0s?
Any engines from the SC granite railroad featured on page 108?

Any others that one might think of?

Joshua

joshuakblay.com
joshua@joshuakblay.com

> What's the condition of "two hundred
> tons of junk" NKP 624? Did I hear a
> restoration prospect for her?

The 624 is currently owned by Railroad Associates and awaits removal from its display site. As far as the "200 hundred tons of junk" quote from the book; I personally love hearing the knowledgeable opinions of these great "steam experts".

Lake Central Rail Tours
ra1508vh@cs.com

A seminal book for many of us.

> M&B 444 still exists in FL, but in a
> muti-colored scheme appartently.
This poor little thing has a Savannah history - if she isn't well preserved there is room in the roundhouse.

> Any of the West Side Lumber shays?
3 At Georgetown Loop RR in Colorado, most everything else saved as well.

> Atlantic and Western (NC) engines?
One rusting away in Sanford, NC.The turntable and gas buggy are long gone.

> What's the condition of MEC 470 in
> Waterville?
A group is working on it. Called, believe it or not, the 470 club.

> How about those 0-6-0's in Ogden? Are they
> the ones at the museum?
I think one went somewhere else recently.

> Did any engines escape Northwestern besides
> the 0-8-0s?
Nick or Frank, you guys want to deal with this one?

> Any engines from the SC granite railroad
> featured on page 108?
The 0-4-0 is rusting away at a shopping center or restaurant or something. A 2-8-2 is under cover at a fascinating place in Greenwood, SC. The 2-8-0 and spare tender still are on the R&R, now SC RR Museum.

> Any others that one might think of?

Reader 108 in Texas, the smaller 2-6-2 in Florida. Graham County 1925 at Spencer Shops. Lots of the colorado stuff still in colorado. Great Western power runs on Stasburg and Heber Valley. W&T 223 in the roundhouse in Savannah. Sylvania Central 403 in the Savannah History Museum. Russian decs at Spencer and Southeastern RR Museum. 750 at SERM also. Georgia Northern 107 now undergoing cosmetic restoration at Albany GA. The other Pidcock lines park engines are still where they were.

That's what I can remember off the top of my head.

Dave


irondave@bellsouth.net

> Did any engines escape Northwestern besides
> the 0-8-0s?

None that I know of. The following GTW/NWS&W 0-8-0's were preserved after NWS&W shut down (the owners listed are those that acquired the engines from IRM):

05 - owned by IRM, stored in Galt IL, for sale
27 - Bandana Square, Minneapolis MN
30 - Buchanan County Visitors Center, Independence IA
34 - Western Maryland Scenic
73 - City of Sterling IL
74 - owned by IRM, stored in Galt IL, for sale
76 - City of Amboy IL
GTW 8380 - IRM, Union IL

And, personally, my favorite part of Ziel's book is that neat picture on page 70. :-)

Frank Hicks

fullparallel@wideopenwest.com

I absolutely love this book. Another personal favorite is Ziel and Eagleson's "Steam in the 60's." I am part of a new generation of young enthusiasts who enjoy commemorating the early preservation era--the early steam tourist lines of the 60's and 70's. Probably Jim Robinson, Jimm Wrinn, Howard Pincus and myself are some of the few who "dig" this era. Keep 'em coming!

> None that I know of. The following
> GTW/NWS&W 0-8-0's were preserved after
> NWS&W shut down (the owners listed are
> those that acquired the engines from IRM):

> 05 - owned by IRM, stored in Galt IL, for
> sale
> 27 - Bandana Square, Minneapolis MN
> 30 - Buchanan County Visitors Center,
> Independence IA
> 34 - Western Maryland Scenic
> 73 - City of Sterling IL
> 74 - owned by IRM, stored in Galt IL, for
> sale
> 76 - City of Amboy IL
> GTW 8380 - IRM, Union IL

> And, personally, my favorite part of Ziel's
> book is that neat picture on page 70. :-)

> Frank Hicks


http://rrmuseumpa.org

> 34 - Western Maryland Scenic

Wrong. Was Lake Superior & Ishpeming/Marquette & Huron Mountain 34, then spent a bit of time (1967 on) at the Illinois Railway Museum before being acquired by the WMSR. Although similar, it was built for the LS&I and not GTW.

lner4472@bcpl.net

SP 0-6-0 #1297 was recently relocated from Ogden Union Station to the Bolack Electromechanical Museum in Farmington, NM. #1297 suffered minor damage in a collision with a drunk driver earlier this year. (The driver was moving, the locomotive was not. The driver, unfortunately, was killed.)

UP 0-6-0 #4436 has been repainted and partially relettered and is on display in front of Ogden Union Station leading a line of cabooses. Both of these 0-6-0s lost anything large or small that could be removed during their playgound years, and #1297 sat partially primed and rusting for about 7 years at the museum before being sold.

davew833@yahoo.com

Mr. Bell,

I guess you could consider me a part of the "young enthusiasts" that enjoy this book and the era that it was produced in as well. I probably have over 20 bucks in overdue fees at my high school library just on this book. Great stuff, probably one of my top 5 favorite steam books of all time, even though I never lived through the era.

Hayes S.

> I absolutely love this book. Another
> personal favorite is Ziel and Eagleson's
> "Steam in the 60's." I am part of
> a new generation of young enthusiasts who
> enjoy commemorating the early preservation
> era--the early steam tourist lines of the
> 60's and 70's. Probably Jim Robinson, Jimm
> Wrinn, Howard Pincus and myself are some of
> the few who "dig" this era. Keep
> 'em coming!


crzhaze@rrmail.com

> Wrong. Was Lake Superior &
> Ishpeming/Marquette & Huron Mountain 34,
> then spent a bit of time (1967 on) at the
> Illinois Railway Museum before being
> acquired by the WMSR. Although similar, it
> was built for the LS&I and not GTW.

I don't intend to nit-pick, but the 34 was purchased from Railroad Associates by the WMSR. (Although still stored on IRM property).


Lake Central Rail Tours
ra1508vh@cs.com

> Mr. Bell,

> I guess you could consider me a part of the
> "young enthusiasts" that enjoy
> this book and the era that it was produced
> in as well. I probably have over 20 bucks in
> overdue fees at my high school library just
> on this book. Great stuff, probably one of
> my top 5 favorite steam books of all time,
> even though I never lived through the era.

> Hayes S.

I held on to my local libraries' copy of "Twilight of World Steam" by Ron Ziel and "Iron Horse" by Colin Garratt for three years while researching "Surviving World Steam Locomotives". I finally returned it about a year or two ago; when I showed what I was using it for, they were just happy to get them back. I have three or four other books by Colin Garratt in my personal library.

Many of the locomotives photographed in both volumes survive to this day.

-James Hefner
Hebrews 10:20a


Surviving World Steam Project
james1@pernet.net

> Great Western power runs on Stasburg and Heber Valley.

if memory still serves me...
another piece of GW power on the Fillmore and Western

doc

Heber Valley Railroad
utweyesguy@aol.com

I have loved Twilight of Steam Locomotives ever since I was in grade school. Great photos. Great captions. It is one of the reasons I am so interested in steam power.

Last year I was part of group that chartered Soo Line 2719 for a photo train at Spooner, Wisconsin. The final email went out to everyone that had paid for the trip, and gave the details of what to expect, etc. I noticed that Ron Ziel was on the mailing list, so the day of the trip I grabbed the three books I own of his (Steam in the Sixties, The Twilight of Steam Locomotives, and Mainline Steam Revival) and stuck them in my backpack just in case he showed up. Well, he did show up, and after I while I screwed up my courage and asked him to sign them. To my surpise he was thrilled to do so, and between photo stops we spent some time looking over the books while he explained to me how he came to get this shot and that shot and what the engineer said to him when he took this one and how he almost missed that one. It was a great experience and one I'll never forget.

Jeff Terry

Probably Jim Robinson, Jimm
> Wrinn, Howard Pincus and myself are some of
> the few who "dig" this era. Keep
> 'em coming!

Add me to that list. Just the other night I was telling Dave how I read the paperbound copy of Twilight someone gave me when I was about 10 years old until the covers fell off-- I still have all the parts and keep them as holy relics. One of my chief joys is travelling around the country and meeting old friends from Twiligt who have one through the dark days and come into safer hands--like seeing Wrightsville and Tennile 223 safe in the Savannah roundhouse, or riding behind 7002 at Strasburg and then visiting her at RRM of Pa, and so on and so on. It's hard to overestimate the impact that one book had on bringing up new generations to love and revere steam.

eledbetter@rypn.org

Let's not forget FEC 153, recently beautifully cosmetially restored at Gold Coast Railroad Museum back at the old Richmond Blimp Base way down south of Miami.

Dave

irondave@bellsouth.net

> Let's not forget FEC 153, recently
> beautifully cosmetially restored at Gold
> Coast Railroad Museum back at the old
> Richmond Blimp Base way down south of Miami.

> Dave

BTW: that was a Dirigible Base, and helium plant.


lamontdc@adelphia.net