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 Post subject: Mystery Car - Ma&Pa Yard Red Lion PA
PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2024 9:29 am 

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I recently transferred a variety of slides to jpeg.
Can anyone provide background and history of this baggage car in the Ma & Pa Red Lion, PA yard?

Thank you!

Wesley
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 Post subject: Re: Mystery Car - Ma&Pa Yard Red Lion PA
PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2024 12:21 pm 

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wesp wrote:
I recently transferred a variety of slides to jpeg.
Can anyone provide background and history of this baggage car in the Ma & Pa Red Lion, PA yard?

Thank you!

Wesley
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Wesley,

How sure are you that this is Red Lion? Given the view showing the Reading steel sided car in the background, I don't believe this is Red Lion.

That being said, I believe this is one of the many Reading cars purchased by George Hart for use by his Rail Tours operation. Rail Tours started operating on the Ma & Pa in the 1960's and that's when equipment such as this started showing up.

Note that on the wooden car you can clearly see the painted-over "Reading" on the side of the car and considering the paint scheme, it was most likely used as part of a MOW train.

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 Post subject: Re: Mystery Car - Ma&Pa Yard Red Lion PA
PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2024 4:17 pm 

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How sure are you that this is Red Lion? Given the view showing the Reading steel sided car in the background, I don't believe this is Red Lion.


John,

The image was with a slide of the Red Lion station. I recall seeing cars in the yard back in those days when my family went to Stewartstown during peach season.

But I could be persuaded otherwise.

Wesley


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 Post subject: Re: Mystery Car - Ma&Pa Yard Red Lion PA
PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2024 4:22 pm 

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From my Rail Tours all-time equipment roster history:

No. 52 Wooden baggage [builder?], c.1900-1905 [car length?]
Former Philadelphia & Reading Company wooden baggage car No. [?]. Used on St. Clair wreck train as tool car #90886. Purchased by RTI for $945.00 on November 13, 1963. Shipped to Northeastern Lumber Co. siding, Reading, Pa., September 25, 1964; to York, [date ?]. Shipped from York to Strasburg RR July 1975. Rebuilt by Strasburg Rail Road for RTI in summer 1975. Ex-RTI #31. Renumbered RTI #52 in March 1976. Stored in Jim Thorpe, Pa. Transferred to RCT&HS, Hamburg, Pa., 2009. Dismantled?

The car could very well have been stored in Red Lion, as Hart's equipment from time to time was stored on various sidings and side tracks up and down the M&P during the 1960s, not just in York.

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 Post subject: Re: Mystery Car - Ma&Pa Yard Red Lion PA
PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2024 5:34 pm 

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K.R. Bell wrote:
From my Rail Tours all-time equipment roster history:

No. 52 Wooden baggage [builder?], c.1900-1905 [car length?]
Former Philadelphia & Reading Company wooden baggage car No. [?]. Used on St. Clair wreck train as tool car #90886. Purchased by RTI for $945.00 on November 13, 1963. Shipped to Northeastern Lumber Co. siding, Reading, Pa., September 25, 1964; to York, [date ?]. Shipped from York to Strasburg RR July 1975. Rebuilt by Strasburg Rail Road for RTI in summer 1975. Ex-RTI #31. Renumbered RTI #52 in March 1976. Stored in Jim Thorpe, Pa. Transferred to RCT&HS, Hamburg, Pa., 2009. Dismantled?

The car could very well have been stored in Red Lion, as Hart's equipment from time to time was stored on various sidings and side tracks up and down the M&P during the 1960s, not just in York.

K.R. Bell


Any chance of an ID on the car in the background from the Rail Tours roster?

Wesley


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 Post subject: Re: Mystery Car - Ma&Pa Yard Red Lion PA
PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2024 4:08 pm 

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It may be one of Hart's two steel ex-RDG baggage cars (Nos. 1755 & 1756), one of which Strasburg RR later converted into an open air car. Hart always bought his equipment in pairs; one for use, the other as a parts source.

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 Post subject: Re: Mystery Car - Ma&Pa Yard Red Lion PA
PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2024 5:00 pm 

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Here is a second slide image showing the other baggage car in the yard at Red Lion.

Thanks for making an identification.

Wesley
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