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Author:  Nate.m [ Tue Jul 30, 2024 8:47 am ]
Post subject:  Pine Creek no. 2/Doe River Gorge Plymouth
Hello all. Does anyone know what happened to PCK #2? It is/was an 8 ton DL type Plymouth with a 63 HP Climax TU engine, originally built for Kelly Island Lime & Transport, acquired by Pine Creek in 1960, traded to Hillbilly World in 1977 for their GE 25 tonner which is now Pine Creek's 7751. After that point the trail goes cold; any info on what happened to it at or after Hillbilly World would be appreciated. The appearance is/was very similar to that of Pine Creek's Plymouth no. 5 but with minor differences such as a curved cab roof and a rear cab wall unlike 5. Attached is a photo of 2 at Pine Creek in 1965.

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Author:  JR May [ Tue Jul 30, 2024 9:32 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Pine Creek no. 2/Doe River Gorge Plymouth
Wow, great question. There was a rumor that it went to Ohio, but unconfirmed. A guy named Dale Suitors, not sure of spelling, was involved in putting that deal together as I recall. He was some sort of broker. Perhaps that might help.
Author:  Phil Raynes [ Wed Jul 31, 2024 12:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Pine Creek no. 2/Doe River Gorge Plymouth
You might contact Mark Milbourne at the Doe River Gorge camp. I don't think he knows, but he might know someone who does. Very little is left of the Hillbilly World info. If JR May doesn't know (see his comment), then I am not sure who does!!
Author:  JR May [ Wed Jul 31, 2024 1:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Pine Creek no. 2/Doe River Gorge Plymouth
It has been suggested that this is the Pine Creek #2:

https://bridgtonrailroad.org/our-collec ... ya6i4eBlsw

Somehow it ended up at Edaville? Then Maine? The hoods are not correct, neither is the cab. Judging by the spacers under the radiator, its been re-engined.

No way to really confirm without the builders plate in the cab, although there may be a Plymouth number stamped in the back of the transmission as well.

It was a neat engine to run, quite fast really. Had a great sound.

J.R.
Author:  LVRR2095 [ Wed Jul 31, 2024 4:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Pine Creek no. 2/Doe River Gorge Plymouth
JR May wrote:
It has been suggested that this is the Pine Creek #2:


Somehow it ended up at Edaville? Then Maine? The hoods are not correct, neither is the cab. Judging by the spacers under the radiator, its been re-engined.

No way to really confirm without the builders plate in the cab, although there may be a Plymouth number stamped in the back of the transmission as well.

It was a neat engine to run, quite fast really. Had a great sound.

J.R.


J.R. That engine doesn’t look at all like the one that was at Pine Creek to me. If it is…there isn’t much of the original left. Different front windows, hood, etc.
And yes…that was a great little engine when it was at Pine Creek.

Keith
Author:  John T [ Sun Aug 04, 2024 2:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Pine Creek no. 2/Doe River Gorge Plymouth
The Plymouth at Bridgeton, ME is not the former Pine Creek #2.
3169 4/12/1929 Std JLA-2 Climax R4U 97hp B 10T G/M
Lawrence Portland Cement #3, Rockland, Maine
Dragon Cement Co #3, Rockland, Maine (lettered THOMASTON PLANT)
Seashore Electric Ry Museum #3, Kennebunk, Maine - 10/1975
Edaville RR South Carver, MA
Silver Lake Railroad Station (Cranrail Corp.) #3, Madison, N H 1999/2000
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Bridgeton & Saco River RR Museum #9 Bridgeton, ME 07-17-22
Author:  JR May [ Sun Aug 04, 2024 4:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Pine Creek no. 2/Doe River Gorge Plymouth
Per those who were there for the loading of the GE, Dale Suitors, the broker, was the one said Plymouth #2 was going to Ohio. Dale died some years back.

History of the #2 per the Plymouth all time roster is:
c/n 3750
Built: 4/26/1934
36” gauge
Model: DLC-6
Climax TU 65hp B
8T
Kelley Island Lime & Transport Co #2, Gibsonburg, Ohio
New Jersey Museum of Transportation, Pine Creek RR #2, Freehold, N. J.

Interestingly, Kelley Island also ran a huge number of shays. Had several Plymouths as well.

Not clear as to when Pine Creek acquired the #2 off hand, certainly before 1963 as it was the first locomotive to be moved to the new site at Allaire State Park.
Author:  Nate.m [ Sun Aug 04, 2024 10:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Pine Creek no. 2/Doe River Gorge Plymouth
John T wrote:
The Plymouth at Bridgeton, ME is not the former Pine Creek #2.
3169 4/12/1929 Std JLA-2 Climax R4U 97hp B 10T G/M
Lawrence Portland Cement #3, Rockland, Maine
Dragon Cement Co #3, Rockland, Maine (lettered THOMASTON PLANT)
Seashore Electric Ry Museum #3, Kennebunk, Maine - 10/1975
Edaville RR South Carver, MA
Silver Lake Railroad Station (Cranrail Corp.) #3, Madison, N H 1999/2000
Display
Bridgeton & Saco River RR Museum #9 Bridgeton, ME 07-17-22

I believe you are mistaking the #2 Plymouth in Bridgeton for another ex-Cranrail Plymouth that is/was also at the Silver Lake Railroad that I have included a photo of. I have found a couple of other sources online (so take it as you will) that do state that the locomotive in Bridgeton is in fact ex-Pine Creek #2, but as of typing I have not gotten %100 confirmation from the museum of whether or not their loco is the one I am looking for.

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Author:  JR May [ Mon Aug 05, 2024 7:50 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Pine Creek no. 2/Doe River Gorge Plymouth
Keep in mind that the Pine Creek #2 was a DLC-6. The B&SR #9 is shown as a DLH-8. Again, the hoods and cab are wrong, but could have been changed. Key is the c/n number, which we understand may be stamped on the back end of the transmission if the builders plate is missing.
Author:  John T [ Mon Aug 05, 2024 8:54 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Pine Creek no. 2/Doe River Gorge Plymouth
If I am wrong about which Plymouth is now at Bridgton I would like to know. Both Plymouths #2 & 3 were at Edaville in May 2000.
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