I am trying to find out about two passenger cars near Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. I am guessing they were part of the Waccamaw Coast Line operation. One is a diner and the other is a Pullman sleeping car. Both are lightweight, smooth-side cars riding on 4-wheel trucks. They are in IC orange and chocolate.

The diner is numbered 4109 while the Pullman is named "GREENVILLE". I believe both cars were built by Pullman, but I would like to find out when they were built, their original configuration (if later modified) and the service in which they might have been used. The "GREENVILLE" has a window number plate with "CA9C" in white letters on a black background.

Any information would be appreciated.

Stephen



syfrettinc@bellsouth.net

According to the IC/GM&O Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment by James Kinkaid the Greenville is one of four cars acquired by the IC from the New York Central in late 1958 and October 1960. The cars were built by Pullman in 1940 as lot 6617 and were four compartment, four double bedroom, two drawing room sleepers. The IC renamed the cars Greenville, Grenada, Hammond and Harvey. The only NYC name given is Imperial Dome, which was renamed Hammond by the IC.

ddsx238@hotmail.com

The information I have available at my desk is the following:

NYC ................................. IC
IMPERIAL CHAMBER .................... HALEYVILLE
IMPERIAL JEWEL ...................... HATTIESBURG
IMPERIAL MANOR ...................... HAZELHURST
IMPERIAL STATE ...................... HOMEWOOD
IMPERIAL VALLEY ..................... HYDE PARK
IMPERIAL CHARIOT .................... GREENVILLE
IMPERIAL CROWN ...................... GRENADE
IMPERIAL DOME ....................... HAMMOND
IMPERIAL FLEET ...................... HARVEY
IMPERIAL HIGHLANDS -> EADS BRIDGE ... GILMAN
IMPERIAL HOUSE -> BROOKLYN BRIDGE ... GALENA

Hope this helps.

Brian Norden

bnorden49@earthlink.net

Illinois Central dining car 4109 was one of the railroad's may modernized heavyweight cars.

Robert Wayner's "Car Names, Numbers and Consists" identifies dining car 4109 as having been rebuilt by the railroad in 1947 from a coach (#2192). The initial rebuilt configeration of the car was as a 36-seat Dining Car. It was assigned to the GREEN DIAMOND as part of the trainset replacing the original articulated train. In 1947 it was also names "AUGUSTE CHOUTEAU"

Brian Norden

bnorden49@earthlink.net

Thanks very much for this information. Regarding the window number plate on the GREENVILLE with "CA9C", I believe this was the car number for one of its last assignments. I know the City of Miami cars were identified as "CM4" (a Chicago-Miami coach) or "CM36" (a Chicago-Miami sleeper) for instance. Is "CA_" a designation for another "City" train?

Stephen

syfrettinc@bellsouth.net

That was the designation for the City of Albany which ran jointly with the Wrightsville and Tennile and Georgia Northern express nonstop to the cultural center of southwestern GA.

Dave

irondave@bellsouth.net

> That was the designation for the City of
> Albany which ran jointly with the
> Wrightsville and Tennile and Georgia
> Northern express nonstop to the cultural
> center of southwestern GA.

> Dave

Sounds good to me. You think my BOD will bite on that one? ;-)

Stephen

syfrettinc@bellsouth.net

> Sounds good to me. You think my BOD will
> bite on that one? ;-)

> Stephen

Computer generated pictures of 223 and 107 pulling a streamliner and we do a tapdance and dog and pony show? From what I know of your BOD no sweat.

Dave

irondave@bellsouth.net